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Planning 0.20 release of Geany-Plugins
by Frank Lanitz 18 Dec '10

18 Dec '10

Hi, After the cycle for Geany 0.20 is going to end soon, we need to think about scheduling a new release of Geanys combined plugins project which are depending on Geany 0.20. Given that the plugins shouldn't be release too far away from Geany core, but there is still some work to do in terms of e.g. removing some ugly compiler warnings I do suggest these schedule: Last changes which are touching strings: Saturday, 18th String freeze: 19.12 Last translations checkin: 27.12 Release: ~ 28.12 This would give us about 1 week for some translating work and all in all >2 weeks for fixing last outstanding bugs and issues. Of course the times are depending on the status of developers after the Xmas holidays :) What do you think? Is this something doable? ;) Cheers, Frank -- http://frank.uvena.de/en/

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ANN: String freeze for Geany 0.20
by Frank Lanitz 17 Dec '10

17 Dec '10

Hi translators and friends of Geany, As Nick already mentioned on Geany-devel mailing list [1] we are entering home stretch for our next major release of Geany: 0.20 which is planned to be released around 2012-12-20 with a delay of 2 month on 5th anniversary of Geany ;) After 0.19.1 and 0.19.2 were only fixing a couple of bugs and doing only small improvements during the last month, the new release will introduce a number of improvements, bugfixes and of course also new features. Unfortunately this means for us translators, that there are a number of strings which needs to be translated and/or reviewed before we can ship the new release. Therefor I like to ask all 'old' and maybe new translators to check the translations so we really could put in updated translations files into the new release. I'd be very happy if you could send a patch or complete file with translation to either the geany-i18n mailing list or direct to me within the next two weeks so we can include it to the next release. Deadline will be 2010-12-18. To make it more easy for you I've already uploaded updated versions of the po files to svn with r5464. You can access them as always at http://geany.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/geany/trunk/po/ or by checking out the svn tree of Geany by using e.g. svn co https://geany.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/geany/trunk geany Fans of git can also use the interface provided by http://git.geany.org by using git clone http://git.geany.org/git/geany Also at http://i18n.geany.org/ are statistics and daily updated files available. As mentioned before, we are trying to have all translations complete by 2010-12-18. If your language was translated by two or more in past, please double check directly with them or by pinging me, so we don't need to translate same things two or three times. Also please feel to ping me for every question or if you like to start a new translation for an unsupported language. Thanks and happy translating ;) Frank [1] http://lists.uvena.de/geany-devel/2010-December/003644.html -- http://frank.uvena.de/en/

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pt_PT.po for Geany 0.20 string freeze
by André Glória 07 Dec '10

07 Dec '10

Hello, the Portuguese translation file is annexed to this message. Furthermore, I believe I have found a typo in the status bar message: *line: %l / %L\t col: %c\t sel: %s\t %w %t %mmode: %M encoding: %e filetype: %f scope: %S* it surely is the word *mode*. Kind regards, André

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ANN: New Release: Geany 0.19.2
by Nick Treleaven 01 Dec '10

01 Dec '10

Hi all, Geany 0.19.2 has been released. This is a small bugfix release to fix an important bug where Geany did not always report an error message when saving a document fails. Thanks to Dimitar Zhekov. Source downloads can be found on http://download.geany.org. Windows binaries and GPG signatures to follow soon. Nick

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Updated spanish translation of today's nightly build
by Lucas Vieites 02 Nov '10

02 Nov '10

Hi, today I compiled a fresh nightly built (02/11/2010) and decided to update the Spanish translation. I'm attaching the updated .po file. Cheers, -- Lucas Vieites lucasvieites(a)gmail.com http://blog.codexion.com

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Fw: [Geany] Russian version of Geany 0.19 manual online
by Frank Lanitz 01 Sep '10

01 Sep '10

As I massed up the list address, here is also copy of my mail original sent to geany-devel and geany main mailing list. Hi users and friends of Geany, A couple of weeks Denis Koryavov sent a Russian translation for Manual of Geany 0.19. For some reason I missed to forward it to the list (mea culpa) but today I've finally uploaded his version to the Geany server so everybody can access it by going to http://geany.org/manual/0.19_ru/ Thanks very much. Its an impressive work! Thanks, Frank -- http://frank.uvena.de/en/

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Re: [Geany-i18n] Geany-i18n Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1
by André Glória 01 Sep '10

01 Sep '10

Great news Denis Koryavov. I take this time to also repeat want Frank Lanitz has said, impressive work you have done with the manual. Kind Regards, André Glória 2010/9/1 <geany-i18n-request(a)uvena.de> > Send Geany-i18n mailing list submissions to > geany-i18n(a)uvena.de > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-i18n > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > geany-i18n-request(a)uvena.de > > You can reach the person managing the list at > geany-i18n-owner(a)uvena.de > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Geany-i18n digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fw: [Geany] Russian version of Geany 0.19 manual online > (????? ???????) > > > ---------- Mensagem reencaminhada ---------- > From: "Денис Корявов" <dkoryavov(a)yandex.ru> > To: Geany translations mailing list <geany-i18n(a)uvena.de> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:41:36 +0400 > Subject: Re: [Geany-i18n] Fw: [Geany] Russian version of Geany 0.19 manual > online > Wow, cool! > > It's not only my work, Grigory Shmerling took part in it as well. Also > I'm glad to announce > that we, I mean PingWin Software (www.pingwinsoft.ru), use Geany as > the default IDE in our lightweight > distribution (based on Xfce) for Russian schools. So there is a > possibility to get considerable quantity of new Geany users, > isn't it? :) > > 2010/8/29 Frank Lanitz <frank(a)frank.uvena.de>: > > As I massed up the list address, here is also copy of my mail original > > sent to geany-devel and geany main mailing list. > > > > Hi users and friends of > > Geany, > > > > A couple of weeks Denis Koryavov sent a Russian translation for Manual > > of Geany 0.19. For some reason I missed to forward it to the list (mea > > culpa) but today I've finally uploaded his version to the Geany server > > so everybody can access it by going to > > > > http://geany.org/manual/0.19_ru/ > > > > Thanks very much. Its an impressive work! > > > > Thanks, > > Frank > > -- > > http://frank.uvena.de/en/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Geany-i18n mailing list > > Geany-i18n(a)uvena.de > > http://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-i18n > > > > > > > > -- > WBR, Denis Koryavov. > > > _______________________________________________ > Geany-i18n mailing list > Geany-i18n(a)uvena.de > http://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-i18n > > -- Se encaminhar esta mensagem, por favor: 1. Apague o meu e-mail e o meu nome. 2. Apague também os endereços dos amigos antes de reenviar. 3. Encaminhe como cópia oculta (Cco ou Bcc) aos SEUS destinatários. Agindo sempre assim dificultaremos a disseminação de vírus, spams e banners e manteremos a nossa privacidade. Obrigado

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ANN: New Release: Geany 0.19.1
by Nick Treleaven 19 Aug '10

19 Aug '10

Hi all, Geany 0.19.1 has been released. This is a bugfix release including fixes for broken autocompletion, document detection on Windows and various other issues. There are also some tweaks including ignoring background colors when printing. For a list of changes in Geany 0.19.1, please see: http://www.geany.org/Documentation/ReleaseNotes All downloads can be found on http://download.geany.org. We want to thank the many contributors who helped spotting, reporting and fixing bugs. Thank you! Regards, Nick

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Re: [Geany-i18n] Geany-i18n Digest, Vol 27, Issue 25
by André Glória 17 Aug '10

17 Aug '10

Hello and a HUGE sorry for my really really late reply to this message. My life had a big change over the last few months and i've been a little "lost" in the emails. But here it is now. > ---------- Mensagem reencaminhada ---------- > From: "\"Jože Klepec\"" <joze.klepec(a)siol.net> > To: Geany translations mailing list <geany-i18n(a)uvena.de> > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:51:52 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Geany-i18n] Geany-i18n Digest, Vol 27, Issue 23 > Na 21. 06. 2010 14:39, André Glória je pisal: > >> >> >> I'm very happy that someone else started translating this awkward >> text file. >> >> Lol, >> > I lolrwotf? > Sorry but I do not (nor urbandictionary.com) understand your acronym. But I take this opportunity to clarify that I was laughing about your usage of "awkward" because that was exactly the same word that pop into my mind, when I first saw the geany.txt file. i've read a little about reStructuredText from some quick tutorial I found >> on the web and found it, not that hard to understand. For now, only the >> underlines are a little boring to get right... >> >> Indeed, if so, paste a link kindly - is it under EULA or what? Or is it > locked? :) > I do searches on this site http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html > >> As the matter of fact, I stopped working on this file for now >> (since Thunderbird 3.0.5 project was finally done with my friends >> as the date, if you look for one). >> I even threw away all my work - as I thought it's worthless. >> Finally, I think that everyone should take into account that we >> have on Earth around 6700 natural languages (not to count >> esperanto and all alike). >> >> >> You're quitting? :( Why? I can see the effort required for this but don't >> believe it to be meaningless. >> > Partially correct - temporarily leaving it at the sideway (I said: stopped > working FOR NOW, that doesn't mean that it will done ad Calendas Graecas). > And if I threw sth away, I threw away it as it was badly done. > And, at last, but not least, you most likely you forgot the essence: this > (Geany) is a volunteer project, I'm not forced into it and I live in free > country (well, freedom can be talked about). > Hey, it seams you took this right to your chest. Yes I know that Geany is a volunteer project. Doesn't it help to try and motivate people? I was trying to do just that, because, at least for me, working alone is not a great motivational force... As for the free country...yeah, we can open another discussion ;). > > >> So, we need to agree that essential part or survival guide in help >> must be left UNTRANSLATED (=in English?). Behind that Survival >> part/Quick guide (containing quick and very brief guide around >> menus, plugins and so forth), the it comes all about in your >> mothers, fathers or another spoken/written language. >> That's what I think about the help and what it should be like. :) >> >> >> I disagree. >> > I do not. In programming, English is common language, some sort one of > seven modern Latins (Arab, Chinese, English, Hindu, Japanese, Portuguese, > Russian are top used languages in modern world I know), so there is a need > to keep a part of documentation in it. It may be even more languages if we > limit to number ten. > Ok, you make a point with the "in programming" statement . Surely any programmer understands some English. I agree to that. It's obvious that the documentation (and even Geany itself) will hardly be >> translated to the 6700 existing languages you refer. >> But that argument is also valid to Geany's interface...yet there are >> translations for it. >> IMHO, if a user sees that Geany is available in Portuguese (has an >> example) and he wants to use it in Portuguese, I doubt he will like to click >> a menu and start seeing things in English. >> > Correct, but most likely you forgot the essence: this is volunteer project. > It feeds itself from power and work of ourselves. > And to correct myself: of those 6700 languages, around 10 to 5% are extinct > each year (UN official data, not just airpicked out of somewhere!). Most of > those languages are small, with several thousands or some of them even > counting less then ten speakers. So Geany won't be translated to all of > them, no way! Because the big 7 will eat them in melting pot. And finally, > they'll eat each other. :) > Once more, I'm not forgetting this is volunteer work. Sorry if I sound like I'm ordering you to do something, that not my intention. However, volunteer work has to have some kind of motivation. Either through internal (to the project) discussion, or by feedback from users. But this reflects only my opinion. > He may not even know any english... >> > This is true, but ... . If someone has finished gymnasium or university in > Europe, this is a very sad fact (English is one of EU's official languages). > Well, we can argue about that and tell stories, but brute fact is that you > need really ought to know at least a bit of English if you are serious about > using computers. Speaking any language of those mentionted 6700. > Truly agree with you and is in fact very sad to have PH.D level friends that can only say or understand a few English words. I also agree that people with some programming skills, or the ones that seriously use a computer do, in fact, know English. I mean, they must right? > > So having the interface >> > Mostly the UI is useful as help itself and selfexplanatory and it should be > in 90% to 95%. If UI is translated very good and thoroughly, then there is > almost no need to translate docs. I suggest you that you debate over and > over every word that you translate in UI and help suggestions with > colleagues, on Portuguese localization lists, anywhere with anybody. > I've been learning just that, thank you. I use my own translations and check back with the English version, so I can tweak my own. I complement that also with translate.google.com suggestions, with http://mymemory.translated.net/and http://pt.en.open-tran.eu/suggest/ (when it works). > > A useful suggestion might drop even from another translator, translating > for another project or at the same project for another language team. I > sometimes look at Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian, Czech, Russian, Slovak > (also German, Swedish, ... bla asaxon) and some other translations (works at > TB, Geany & other) to compare for "hints" and history if I feel unsure or > nobody from Slovenia has no useful ideas. > > Translators are very prone to borrow words between languages. So I suggest > you to look in other Portuguese translations, Spanish and so on. You could > even find something useful in Latin America, if you feel unsure. In the end, > you may find help in French and similar translations. > >> and documentation >> > The translated documentation is for the "squeezers", for users who want the > best of their program. > >> in Portuguese will help a lot. >> That said, I can't see why is there a need to not translate something... >> >> I said urgent core help needs to be international. If you overvote > English users, that's fine with me. But I'll not agree that seleçao wins > that game, no way. Of course they should beet English, anytime they meet. > I'm not trying to replace the English language, that's for sure. In fact I love the language. So, yes, the core help could be in English. > Out of curiosity is it hard to make F1 point to the correct help file >> according to Geany's localization? (From a developer point of view) >> > No hard fun. From developers point of view, you only need to assign > MenuitemID+LangID for each menuitem triplet("0000","en","File"; > "0001","de","Datei";.... and so on and on) and process this in a switch, > using LangID, seeking for MenuitemID in appropriate file. As the matter of > fact, you already know language setting from locale setting, but this is not > always true and completely correct setting as people may have installed OS > in en_US, but use translated programs. > > So you need to pick settings elsewhere - keyboard, for instance, is the > most sure setting (you could have several keyboard settings installed, then > you should accept system default setting and explain the essence of setting > correct setting. > > Or, you could select language (and fallback laguage) directly in Options > (like most of KDE programs have such option). With this option, you do not > select help language, but it would be nice to. This could be achieved by > using remote help files or having installed multiple languages or by > installing any help file by users choice (by providing URI). > > For HTML/XML, you could even have the complete help in a single file (both > could contain scripts). > Thanks for the clarification Jože. Kind Regards, André

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New Chinese Simplified translation
by Xhacker Liu 11 Aug '10

11 Aug '10

Hi, I fixed a small translation bug, and I'm sending the new po file. Cheers, Xhacker Liu

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