On 8/31/07, Enrico Tröger enrico.troeger@uvena.de wrote:
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:46:31 -0400, "John Gabriele" jmg3000@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/30/07, Nick Treleaven nick.treleaven@btinternet.com wrote:
Hi all, I noticed in the Balsa email client they used Ctrl-Alt-F for one shortcut - are there any problems with using Ctrl-Alt-[a-z0-9]? I know that Ctrl-Alt-F[1-12] are taken for consoles. If there aren't any important conflicts with window managers, perhaps we should use Ctrl- Alt instead of Alt-Shift for some bindings - Alt-Shift seems more difficult to hold down because they are diagonally separated.
It seems to me that GUI programs usually use the Shift key, with either Ctrl or Alt, whereas terminal-based programs only use the Shift key to reach various non-alphanumeric symbols.
For example, Emacs most often uses pairs of keys to do complimentary
Did I ever mention Geany != Emacs? ;-).
Right. For the purposes of the discussion though, I was just using it as an example of a system that does key combos differently than Geany.
Using only Ctrl-foo and Ctrl-Alt-foo key combos is pretty self-consistent (note, Emacs also uses Alt-foo keys, which for Geany are only used for manipulating GUI elements). And it's pretty easy to remember too, since you never have to consider, "was that capital or lowercase?"
Using Shift along with various Ctrl-foo and Alt-foo keys is also pretty self-consistent. Though, one problem I have is, every time I try to hit Shift-Ctrl-r, I keep getting Ctrl-R instead! ;)
Because it is the same. I don't understand the problem. How could Ctrl-Shift-r and Ctrl-R be anything different?
Whoops. Failed attempt at me trying to make a joke. Also, maybe I should start putting a hyphen in my smilies. :) err... :-)
If you start having Ctrl-Alt-foo keys in Geany, you begin to get a lot of keys to remember ("Can't remember that key combo. Was it Ctrl-L? Shift-Ctrl-L? Shift-Alt-L? Ctrl-Alt-L? How about Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L?").
I don't see the difference. Does it matter whether you remember Ctrl-Alt-key or Ctrl-Shift-key?
I don't think so, no. If you change *all* Shift-Alt combos to Ctrl-Alt combos, then I guess it doesn't matter.
Note, Gnome uses Ctrl-Alt-L to lock the screen, and Ctrl-Alt-D to hide all windows.
And as an Emacs user you should be used to remember a lot of strange key combos ;-). (SCNR)
Hardy har har. :-) Actually, since Emacs doesn't use the Shift key to change commands, the key combos seem pretty simple. The only extra complication you get with Emacs is prefix key combos, which does a pretty good job of sectioning off various commands.
---John