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Robert Parker

6 Dec 2013 6 Dec '13

7:49 a.m.

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Lex Trotman

6 Dec 6 Dec

7:57 a.m.

Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist" If that works then there is something wrong in the config, though I don't know of any changes to templates for several versions. Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be something wrong in the menu stealing hacks. Cheers Lex On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Since installing Ubuntu 13.10 when I select File -> New(with template) no template list is exposed to select from. It just exits without any action. The Geany version is showing 1..23.1 I use a separate /home partition so my customisation is preserved across re-installations. Where to next please? Bob Parker _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Robert Parker

12:59 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"

Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.

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If that works then there is something wrong in the config, though I don't know of any changes to templates for several versions. Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be something wrong in the menu stealing hacks.

I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it. I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb the flick. Thanks, Bob

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Cheers Lex On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Robert Parker

1:59 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"

Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.

I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it. I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb the flick. Thanks, Bob

Compilation done but I still get the same result.

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> geany -v

Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8 Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1 Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/local/share/geany Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/local/lib/geany Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (56). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (57). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (58). Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8) Geany-INFO: Quitting... ** (geany:11594): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell: runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)

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> /usr/bin geany -v

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Cheers Lex On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Colomban Wendling

2:07 p.m.

Le 06/12/2013 13:59, Robert Parker a écrit :

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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com <mailto:rlp1938@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr(a)gmail.com <mailto:elextr@gmail.com>> wrote: [...] Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be something wrong in the menu stealing hacks. I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it. I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb the flick. Thanks, Bob Compilation done but I still get the same result.

This is expected, the global menu thing is a dynamic hack, it doesn't need modifying the source of the application, so building our vanilla copy ain't going to change this.

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> geany -v

[...] ** (geany:11594): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell: runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)

This is what Lex talked about: at runtime, Unity tries to steal application's menu, and apparently have a hard time doing it for our dynamic templates menu. We already saw such problems, but I though it was fixed in this menu thingie… Anyway, you should be able to disable the menu stealing, I think with this: UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= geany -v (set the environment variable UBUNTU_MENUPROXY to be empty, and run geany) I'm not positive it's the solution because I don't have a Ubuntu box with Unity at hand, but that looks like what the Internets say and wht I remember. If this works, then you may report a bug to Ubuntu so that they either fix their global menu thing, or add Geany to a blacklist for this. Regards, Colomban

Robert Parker

5:36 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Colomban Wendling < lists.ban(a)herbesfolles.org> wrote:

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Anyway, you should be able to disable the menu stealing, I think with this: UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= geany -v

Yes that works. I did it like this:

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UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= geany &

And that in a terminal. I tried the same without success in the Startup Launcher so I've just included it in .bash_aliases Thanks, Bob

James Brierley

3:44 p.m.

This is a Unity bug, and it’s a regression too (between 13.04 and 13.10) because this used to work just fine. Someone should report it on Launchpad (I can do this or anyone can but better not to create a load of duplicates.) James Pe 06/12/13 12:59, Robert Parker a scris:

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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com <mailto:rlp1938@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr(a)gmail.com <mailto:elextr@gmail.com>> wrote: Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist" Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection. If that works then there is something wrong in the config, though I don't know of any changes to templates for several versions. Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be something wrong in the menu stealing hacks. I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it. I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb the flick. Thanks, Bob Compilation done but I still get the same result.

> geany -v

> /usr/bin geany -v

Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8 Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1 Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/share/geany Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/geany Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (56). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (57). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (58). Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8) Geany-INFO: Quitting... ** (geany:11495): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell: runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group) Also the 2 above are run with a brand new ~/.config/geany as set up on first run. Thanks, Bob Cheers Lex On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com <mailto:rlp1938@gmail.com>> wrote: Since installing Ubuntu 13.10 when I select File -> New(with template) no template list is exposed to select from. It just exits without any action. The Geany version is showing 1..23.1 I use a separate /home partition so my customisation is preserved across re-installations. Where to next please? Bob Parker _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)lists.geany.org <mailto:Users@lists.geany.org> https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)lists.geany.org <mailto:Users@lists.geany.org> https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -- The healthy eating pyramid as published by the USDA and it's satellites all over the world is purposely designed to bring about an epidemic of obesity, hypertension and diabetes. It is wildly successful in this aim. -- The healthy eating pyramid as published by the USDA and it's satellites all over the world is purposely designed to bring about an epidemic of obesity, hypertension and diabetes. It is wildly successful in this aim. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

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Robert Parker

5:43 p.m.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:44 PM, James Brierley <jmb8710(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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This is a Unity bug, and it’s a regression too (between 13.04 and 13.10) because this used to work just fine.

Thanks James, Indeed this has been working for ages and it did not fail until 13.10 which seems to be buggy in more places than just this.

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Someone should report it on Launchpad (I can do this or anyone can but better not to create a load of duplicates.)

Yes I'll bug report it. Thanks, Bob

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James Pe 06/12/13 12:59, Robert Parker a scris:

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com <mailto:rlp1938@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr(a)gmail.com <mailto:elextr@gmail.com>> wrote: Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist" Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection. If that works then there is something wrong in the config, though I don't know of any changes to templates for several versions. Or if you are running with a detached menu, then it could be something wrong in the menu stealing hacks. I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it. I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb the flick. Thanks, Bob Compilation done but I still get the same result.

> geany -v

Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8 Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1 Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/local/share/geany Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/local/lib/geany Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (56). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (57). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (58). Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8) Geany-INFO: Quitting... ** (geany:11594): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_ gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell: runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group)

> /usr/bin geany -v

Geany-INFO: Geany 1.23.1, en_US.UTF-8 Geany-INFO: GTK 2.24.20, GLib 2.38.1 Geany-INFO: System data dir: /usr/share/geany Geany-INFO: User config dir: /home/bob/.config/geany Geany-INFO: System plugin path: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/geany Geany-INFO: Added filetype Cython (55). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Scala (56). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Genie (57). Geany-INFO: Added filetype Go (58). Geany-INFO: unknown : None (UTF-8) Geany-INFO: Quitting... ** (geany:11495): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-action-group.c:1030):unity_ gtk_action_group_disconnect_shell: runtime check failed: (shell->action_group == group) Also the 2 above are run with a brand new ~/.config/geany as set up on first run. Thanks, Bob Cheers Lex On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com <mailto:rlp1938@gmail.com>> wrote: Since installing Ubuntu 13.10 when I select File -> New(with template) no template list is exposed to select from. It just exits without any action. The Geany version is showing 1..23.1 I use a separate /home partition so my customisation is preserved across re-installations. Where to next please? Bob Parker _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)lists.geany.org <mailto:Users@lists.geany.org> https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)lists.geany.org <mailto:Users@lists.geany.org> https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -- The healthy eating pyramid as published by the USDA and it's satellites all over the world is purposely designed to bring about an epidemic of obesity, hypertension and diabetes. It is wildly successful in this aim. -- The healthy eating pyramid as published by the USDA and it's satellites all over the world is purposely designed to bring about an epidemic of obesity, hypertension and diabetes. It is wildly successful in this aim. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

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James Brierley

5:51 p.m.

On 06/12/13 16:43, Robert Parker wrote:

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Yes I'll bug report it. Thanks, Bob

Once you’ve done it, post the link and I’ll mark it as affecting me. James

Robert Parker

5:55 p.m.

Ok Job for tomorrow. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:51 PM, James Brierley <jmb8710(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 06/12/13 16:43, Robert Parker wrote:

Yes I'll bug report it. Thanks, Bob

Once you’ve done it, post the link and I’ll mark it as affecting me. James _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Lex Trotman

10:07 p.m.

On 6 December 2013 22:59, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"

Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.

Again running geany -c /tmp/new_config can you see if the template list is available when using the drop down to the left of the open button the the toolbar (instead of the menu). In menu->help->debug messages there is an entry listing the system data dir (probably /usr/share/geany), list whats in the templates/files directory below that dir, thats where the templates are kept. Each file there should be an entry in the menu list. If there are no entries there try uninstalling and re-installing geany (note that the geany in the ubuntu repositories is fine, I'm running that since my distro Linux Mint 16 Cinnamon is based on ubuntu 13.10)

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I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it. I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb the flick.

Ubuntu does the hack in the GTK libraries, not to Geany so it won't help compiling geany. There are many distros based on ubuntu but with "normal" desktops you could try. That still gives you the Ubuntu software selection but since they don't use the hacks there should be less problems. Linux Mint for example is more popular than the Ubuntu its based on (by some measures).

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Thanks, Bob

Cheers Lex On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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James Brierley

10:49 p.m.

On 06/12/13 21:07, Lex Trotman wrote:

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Switching distributions based on one bug seems a bit drastic. What’s more, I really like the Global Menu and HUD (when it works, which it usually has done until I noticed this) and I’d hazard a guess that the OP also would prefer to stick with Unity. In my case, once I had the ability to hit Alt and type whatever I wanted to do, I found that Geany, or anything, gave me all the keyboard shortcuts that something like Emacs or Vim could give me (only without a learning curve best measured on cosmic timescales) and I couldn’t live without it now. Failing that, Xubuntu and Lubuntu are both just as present as they’ve ever been, and just an apt-get install [x|l]buntu-desktop away. Ubuntu != Unitybuntu. Both desktops are nice, and as Unitybuntu runs fast on my machine (mostly because of the SSD) the much lighter Xfce and LXDE-based desktops would go like a bullet. I’ve played with them both, but have always started to miss Unity afterwards (mainly the HUD and Dash) and gone running back. Anyway, not trying to start a holy war, just trying to dispel a few myths about Ubuntu, I don’t care what distribution people use. In any case, better to at least report a bug before jumping ship. James -- "Unix is the worst computer operating system, except all the others that have been tried."

Colomban Wendling

10:56 p.m.

Le 06/12/2013 22:49, James Brierley a écrit :

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[...] In my case, once I had the ability to hit Alt and type whatever I wanted to do, I found that Geany, or anything, gave me all the keyboard shortcuts that something like Emacs or Vim could give me (only without a learning curve best measured on cosmic timescales) and I couldn’t live without it now.

OT, but the Commander plugin provides a very similar feature :) (but yeah, it's only in Geany)

James Brierley

10:58 p.m.

Heads up: appears this bug’s already been reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-gtk-module/+bug/1198471 Already marked myself as affected, if you are too you know what to do. James -- "Unix is the worst computer operating system, except all the others that have been tried."

Lex Trotman

11:20 p.m.

On 7 December 2013 08:49, James Brierley <jmb8710(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 06/12/13 21:07, Lex Trotman wrote:

Switching distributions based on one bug seems a bit drastic.

Sure, only discussed because the OP mentioned it.

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What’s more, I really like the Global Menu and HUD (when it works, which it usually has done until I noticed this) and I’d hazard a guess that the OP also would prefer to stick with Unity. In my case, once I had the ability to hit Alt and type whatever I wanted to do, I found that Geany, or anything, gave me all the keyboard shortcuts that something like Emacs or Vim could give me (only without a learning curve best measured on cosmic timescales) and I couldn’t live without it now.

As you say thats your personal and totally valid choice.

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Failing that, Xubuntu and Lubuntu are both just as present as they’ve ever been, and just an apt-get install [x|l]buntu-desktop away. Ubuntu != Unitybuntu.

Good point, I had forgotten about the other Ubuntu spins. I mentioned distros based on Ubuntu to try to be re-assuring that most of the good things of Ubuntu don't need to be thrown away, and the re-spins are even closer. Although my experience its always best to re-install to change desktops, but YMMV. IIRC one of the Geany devs happily uses Xubuntu.

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Both desktops are nice, and as Unitybuntu runs fast on my machine (mostly because of the SSD) the much lighter Xfce and LXDE-based desktops would go like a bullet. I’ve played with them both, but have always started to miss Unity afterwards (mainly the HUD and Dash) and gone running back.

Stick with what you are happy with, and beat up on the developer to fix the bug, though something like it has been there since it was first introduced, so it maybe isn't as easy as just saying it.

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Anyway, not trying to start a holy war, just trying to dispel a few myths about Ubuntu, I don’t care what distribution people use. In any case, better to at least report a bug before jumping ship.

Yes definitely always report bugs, but not duplicates. I don't know the ubuntu preference for regression, adding to the old bug or new bug. Cheers Lex

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James Brierley

11:50 p.m.

Pe 06/12/13 22:20, Lex Trotman a scris:

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Anyway, not trying to start a holy war, just trying to dispel a few myths about Ubuntu, I don’t care what distribution people use. In any case, better to at least report a bug before jumping ship. Yes definitely always report bugs, but not duplicates. I don't know the ubuntu preference for regression, adding to the old bug or new bug. Cheers Lex

The policy is generally to report a new bug and tag it as a regression. But, like I said, the bug has been reported and is being worked on (half the battle is getting devs to take notice!) and when it gets to that stage it tends to get fixed eventually, or at least most bug reports I have contributed or contributed to have turned out that way. Cheers, James -- "Unix is the worst computer operating system, except all the others that have been tried."

Robert Parker

7 Dec 7 Dec

4:26 p.m.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:07 AM, Lex Trotman <elextr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 6 December 2013 22:59, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Try without a customisation by running Geany from a terminal, "geany -c /tmp/something_that_does_not_exist"

Did that. It just came up with 'untitled' , no template selection.

Again running geany -c /tmp/new_config can you see if the template list is available when using the drop down to the left of the open button the the toolbar (instead of the menu).

Yes, that list is available from that button. I had not been in the habit of using it and so was unaware of what it did. I've since caught up with that. So I am once again a very happy Geany user. In the religious war between Emacs and Vi/Vim, if I had to chose my choice would be and is Geany. I'm busy now adding to my templates. A minimal html5 file is in place and a man page template is in progress. Thanks for your help and thanks for an excellent programmers editor. Bob Parker

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In menu->help->debug messages there is an entry listing the system data dir (probably /usr/share/geany), list whats in the templates/files directory below that dir, thats where the templates are kept. Each file there should be an entry in the menu list. If there are no entries there try uninstalling and re-installing geany (note that the geany in the ubuntu repositories is fine, I'm running that since my distro Linux Mint 16 Cinnamon is based on ubuntu 13.10)

I guess that means what Ubuntu does to it. I'll try compiling from source and if that works I'll give the Ubuntu deb the flick.

Thanks, Bob

Cheers Lex On 6 December 2013 17:49, Robert Parker <rlp1938(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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James Brierley

4:30 p.m.

On 07/12/13 15:26, Robert Parker wrote:

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So I am once again a very happy Geany user. In the religious war between Emacs and Vi/Vim, if I had to chose my choice would be and is Geany.

Ditto :) If only those people knew what they were missing... Glad it’s working (in a way) now. James -- "Unix is the worst computer operating system, except all the others that have been tried."

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