On 2022-09-27 18:40, Lex Trotman wrote:
Hmmmm, I see the paradigm as different, "menus" are selections from a
set of commands, "dialogs" are small GUI windows for setting of
values. Maybe you have the terminology wrong, see philosophical
waffle at the end :-)
Could be that as I start foaming at the mouth I get sloppy
There is no "General" menu item in Geany, do you mean the "General"
tab in the preferences dialog, in which case you are using the wrong
terminology and confusing things.
Preferences > General. This is a menu, no?
Ok, it's a tab, but the tab
gives a menu, no?
Menus are the "File" "Edit" "Search" etc along the top of
I have no issue calling those menus, but I'd call the former menus
Mind, it's up to me to get my language straight.
If the "Startup" and
"Miscellaneous" pages were combined the resulting
page would be tall enough that we are back in scrolling hell.
Scrolling heaven! I
hate forgetting which ... sub-menu ... ok, wrong
language, but you get me ... something might be hidden in, just show me
the whole show for 'General' and maybe I have to hit the down arrow but
it's all there.
Yes its not good for those of us with a poor short term, ummm, ahh,
what do you call it, ahh memory!
That's the truth. I can recite reams of
poetry, but the short term
clicky, clicky, look, look, shit, not there, try somewhere else, clicky
clicky, not there either, go back, start again, clicky clicky, oops I
was just there, try again, clicky clicky, opps the whole menu collapsed,
try again .... I *hate* that.
I'm not sure anything has changed, there is no good solution to
fitting too much information on a finite sized screen, I remember
years (ok decades) ago an emacs settings system that effectively was a
specialist editor for config files, so it was an enormous categorised
list (just like your request), and nothing was findable without prior
But one has to keep one's shirt on. I'm not opposed to a
just so long as it doesn't get too confusing. Tabs, buttons, vertical
tabs, ... too much pretty. Also, there's no reason not to have a button
that jumps to some index in a bigger page. One can jump *but* also
scroll up and down.
You have complained several times about levels of
nesting, could it be
that by "dialogs" you actually mean having hierarchical interactions
compared to a flat user interface?
That sounds about right, it's the number of
levels and the multiplicity
of ways of going 'down'. Again, I don't desire 'flat' just a tree
that's 'broader' and less 'high'. Fewer clicks.
Of course thats a broad generalisation and
everybody's ability to
remember, understand and interact with hierarchies varies, but in
general humans are good at it. So it makes a natural computer
interface paradigm for the majority of people, and is not likely to
change soon, notwithstanding you as an outlier.
There must be organization, but it
can be ... again, the keybindings
gets it perfect ... 'headings' or index points, *but* one does not have
to wonder which sub sub sub screen to click too, it's all there. And
scrolling up and down, you get the 'overall' plan of the thing, you get
Or to put it another way, as you admitted you are "pushing **it uphill
with a fork", or "paddling a canoe upstream with a barbed wire paddle"
and such similar memes.
I'm not expecting to throw off Microsoft's yoke,
but it's sure nice to
think about it. Geany does better than some. Take Firefox. Where might
my detailed profile info be found? Help > More Troubleshooting
Information > about:profile. No, I'm not looking for help, I'm looking
for configuration information. And I might not be troubleshooting.
Give me a 'Configuration' menu please lads.