Sorry, it seems such a trivial question but here with Debian 11 and Geany 1.37.1, I can't get the line on the bottom that, in my old setup with Debian 9, just indicated the current line. I don't want the 'messages' window I don't think, it told me all sorts of things I'm not interested in. Or, is it that I want the messages window, but can control the contents? So many options!
Hey there,
Ray Andrews wrote:
Sorry, it seems such a trivial question but here with Debian 11 and Geany 1.37.1, I can't get the line on the bottom that, in my old setup with Debian 9, just indicated the current line. I don't want the 'messages' window I don't think, it told me all sorts of things I'm not interested in. Or, is it that I want the messages window, but can control the contents? So many options!
This should give it to you:
Edit --> Preferences --> Interface --> Miscellaneous --> Show status bar
On 2022-09-26 08:39, Little Girl wrote:
Hey there,
This should give it to you:
Edit --> Preferences --> Interface --> Miscellaneous --> Show status bar
Perfect thanks. BTW, just to rant a little, not that there's any hope of change, Windows has us all so corrupted that we don't even know how much we've been ruined, still I'll say it: Geany, like everyone else in the GUI computer universe, suffers from the idea that the more hidden things are, the better -- the more buried they are in sub-sub-sub menus the happier everyone will be. Gates started this. We'd get a little dialogue box that offered a few simple super-catagories (keep it simple!) then we'd make a selection and there'd be another dialogue box ... another and another, till eventually we found the actual tic box we needed. Such fun! And, if you ticked the wrong box, and pressed 'apply', the whole structure vanishes and if you need to try again, you hafta remember all the steps you took and try something else and ... so on and so forth. Mostly you ended up ticking all sorts of things that only broke things worser, but we tend not to write down all the ticks and clicks. Why not one, big menu with everything on it? Catagorized of course, and even 'jump to section' buttons, but you can still see everything on one page. And the ability to save the 'profile' and restore older ones. Geany is one of the worst: Click a category and you get buttons on the side, and tabs on the top and little click buttons spread all over. Very pretty, but easy to miss things. The devs want it pretty more than functional and simple. Again, not to bitch -- *everyone* suffers from this. But if only we could liberate ourselves from Windoze-think. I worked on a GUI DOS browser a couple of decades back and we had GUI configuration options, tick boxes and such, BUT all settings were saved in a single TEXT file, that you could edit as plain text, save, rename, restore ... easy as pie and TRANSPARENT.
Hey there,
Ray Andrews wrote:
BTW, just to rant a little, not that there's any hope of change, Windows has us all so corrupted that we don't even know how much we've been ruined, still I'll say it: Geany, like everyone else in the GUI computer universe, suffers from the idea that the more hidden things are, the better -- the more buried they are in sub-sub-sub menus the happier everyone will be.
Perhaps, but the way I see it, each program is the brainchild of its developer or developers and is structured in one of these ways or a mixture of any or all of them: * however it happens to come together as features are added * however the developer(s) think it ought to be * however the developer(s) believe others would want it to be * however others have expressed wishes for it to be
It's also often tough to decide where certain features ought to be kept and whether there should be repetition. For instance, some features are buried inside of an editing interface, but are also available via a checkbox on a drop-down menu in the main window. Depending on how many features a program has, it might not be possible to have them all offered as checkboxes on the main menu, so decisions often have to be made as to which are most commonly-used, etc., when determining which ones should be there. Geany's got a lot of power and it's all got to go somewhere.
I worked on a GUI DOS browser a couple of decades back and we had GUI configuration options, tick boxes and such, BUT all settings were saved in a single TEXT file, that you could edit as plain text, save, rename, restore ... easy as pie and TRANSPARENT.
You're in luck. Geany has such a text file. On my system (Kubuntu 22.04 LTS), it's the hidden ~/.config/geany/geany.conf file. You may find it elsewhere depending on the operating system it's installed on. I've only ever run Geany on Ubuntu MATE and Kubuntu and that file has always been in the same place.
On 2022-09-26 10:29, Little Girl wrote:
Hey there,
Ray Andrews wrote:
BTW, just to rant a little, not that there's any hope of change, Windows has us all so corrupted that we don't even know how much we've been ruined, still I'll say it: Geany, like everyone else in the GUI computer universe, suffers from the idea that the more hidden things are, the better -- the more buried they are in sub-sub-sub menus the happier everyone will be.
Perhaps, but the way I see it, each program is the brainchild of its developer or developers and is structured in one of these ways or a mixture of any or all of them:
- however it happens to come together as features are added
- however the developer(s) think it ought to be
- however the developer(s) believe others would want it to be
- however others have expressed wishes for it to be
... or because certain ways of expecting a GUI to work have become almost hardwired into us. That's what I'm saying. The tiny dialogue box has become an unquestioned thing as has the idea that you make a decision based on an accumulation of simple choices (the sub-menu thing) rather than one 'big' up front choice.
You're in luck. Geany has such a text file. On my system (Kubuntu 22.04 LTS), it's the hidden ~/.config/geany/geany.conf file. You may find it elsewhere depending on the operating system it's installed on. I've only ever run Geany on Ubuntu MATE and Kubuntu and that file has always been in the same place.
Marvelous!
Why not one, big menu with everything on it? Catagorized of course, and even 'jump to section' buttons, but you can still see everything on one page.
... or because certain ways of expecting a GUI to work have become almost hardwired into us. That's what I'm saying.
1. It probably wouldn't fit on computers with small screens, all told Geany has a lot of UI when you include data entrys which is what dialogs are for 2. its not supported by the GUI toolkit 3, as you say, its unfamiliar to users, making switching applications more difficult, very few people use only one app
You're in luck. Geany has such a text file. On my system (Kubuntu 22.04 LTS), it's the hidden ~/.config/geany/geany.conf file.
Editing this by hand is a bit tricky, Geany only reads it on startup, but Geany will write it on close, overwriting any edits, so you need to have Geany closed while editing it, so you need a different editor. Probably best not to hand edit it.
Cheers Lex
On 2022-09-26 16:09, Lex Trotman wrote:
Why not one, big menu with everything on it? Catagorized of course, and even 'jump to section' buttons, but you can still see everything on one page. ... or because certain ways of expecting a GUI to work have become almost hardwired into us. That's what I'm saying.
- It probably wouldn't fit on computers with small screens,
No, but so what? One can scroll. Here's an example of getting it perfect: Preferences > Keybindings. You could hide that under a few more layers of sub-menus but you don't, it's right there AND *all* the keybindings are there on one page. You have sub-categories of course, but I DON'T have to click on tabs to open a sub-category, I can scroll up and down the list of keybindings exploring various sub-categories as I please. Supposing that paradigm was expanded to other parts of 'Preferences'? Bill Gates won't like it, but ....
For example: Preferences > General ... why the two tabs, Startup and Miscellaneous (Which itself has a Miscellaneous sub-category)? Forget the tabs, just throw it all onto one page to save us from having to make so many clicks hunting for stuff -- just show it to us. Microsoft was and is wrong: making many choices among few options is not better than making fewer choices among more options. If Preferences are to be broken down into sub-pages, then each sub-page should be 'complete' -- no sub-sub-sub pages -- and the breakdown of Preferences itself should be only on the most robust, and intuitive of categories so that one never has to go on an Easter Egg hunt looking for things. Pretty isn't better, simple is better. The worst is Firefox, their .... nevermind :-)
On 2022-09-27 06:51, Ray Andrews wrote:
For example: Preferences > General ... why the two tabs, Startup and Miscellaneous (Which itself has a Miscellaneous sub-category)? Forget the tabs, just throw it all onto one page to save us from having to make so many clicks hunting for stuff -- just show it to us.
I wasn't sure what you were getting at for a while, but it is becoming clearer to me.
Believe the thinking from the old days is that scrolling is to be avoided when it can be. I generally agree, so we might split the pane into notebook tabs when they get too cluttered. When there are a few tab panes it is fine of course, but keybindings would have so many we there'd be two dozen tabs! That changes the balance to prefer a scrolling list, in that case.
Additionally there is the "spatial" idea from the original Macintosh OS, think System 6 and 7, etc. That is, you learn your way around the filesystem directionally, each folder has a window and you can size and move it to a position and it remembers, so you can find your way back like rooms in a building, like consulting a map.
In geany prefs terms, this would be go down three "floors" and make a right at the hallway and go to the end. You'll remember better over time.
This stuff has gone out of style somewhat because we have 10x things to look at in modern workstations vs the mid-80s. So searchable lists are used more often. But the original models are still useful when there's not too many items or organize.
As you can see, this stuff is an art as well as science. So, not sure I fully agree, but yes both ways may be useful in certain circumstances. (I personally prefer 90s-era-style UI's, though not their artwork, haha.)
...
Getting back to the original issue, which I think can be fixed easily. Almost every other top-level widget in geany has a menu-item toggle in the View menu. But the Status Bar is conspicuously absent for no particular reason? Add it and the long journey thru the prefs would be avoided in the first place.
This would be a lot cheaper than substantially reorganizing the prefs window.
-Mike
On 2022-09-27 09:51, Mike Miller wrote:
Believe the thinking from the old days is that scrolling is to be avoided when it can be.
There may have been an age where that made sense, but I think it's long gone.
I generally agree, so we might split the pane into notebook tabs when they get too cluttered. When there are a few tab panes it is fine of course, but keybindings would have so many we there'd be two dozen tabs! That changes the balance to prefer a scrolling list, in that case.
IMHO the keybindings situation is to be preferred. I'd much rather do some scrolling than some blind hopping up and down a menu tree. Again using keybindings as an example, if I'm not quite sure which sub section might be the right one, it hardly matters, a bit of scrolling and I find what I'm looking for. There is no question that I'm on the right page. But if it were broken up into sub-pages, I'd have to go clicking around, and probably click on the same sub-page half a dozen times because one forgets where one has visited.
As you can see, this stuff is an art as well as science. So, not sure I fully agree, but yes both ways may be useful in certain circumstances. (I personally prefer 90s-era-style UI's, though not their artwork, haha.)
It's an art alright. Elegant organization is a skill not learned in books or via googling or by asking what's her name, Alexi or whatever.
...
Getting back to the original issue, which I think can be fixed easily. Almost every other top-level widget in geany has a menu-item toggle in the View menu. But the Status Bar is conspicuously absent for no particular reason? Add it and the long journey thru the prefs would be avoided in the first place.
Good idea.
This would be a lot cheaper than substantially reorganizing the prefs window.
-Mike
I appreciate your thoughts Mike. I know I'm railing against long standing traditions but I'm quite sure I'm right. Scrolling is better than clicking! Avoid sub pages when ever possible. Only when some very clear, crisp organizational issue makes it advisable.
On 2022-09-27 11:40, Ray Andrews wrote:
Scrolling is better than clicking!
Unfortunately, scrolling is definitely harder for newbies to desktop computers. Panels are hidden either way. While geany is not solely for beginners it is used by a lot of them learning how to program for the first or second time. Not a complete win.
This is more true these days when the current fashion is to hide, obfuscate, and eradicate scrollbars at every possible opportunity. Drives me crazy because I finally have giant hi-res monitors on my workstation with plenty of room for scroll bars and tablet people are doing everything possible to get rid of them, even taking away the option.
On the other hand, scroll wheels and gestures have made it easier to do. But we need indication that scrolling is even possible, which is often harder these days due to dictates of fashion. AKA "lack of affordances"
-Mike
On 2022-09-27 12:10, Mike Miller wrote:
On 2022-09-27 11:40, Ray Andrews wrote:
Scrolling is better than clicking!
Unfortunately, scrolling is definitely harder for newbies to desktop computers. Panels are hidden either way. While geany is not solely for beginners it is used by a lot of them learning how to program for the first or second time. Not a complete win.
This is more true these days when the current fashion is to hide, obfuscate, and eradicate scrollbars at every possible opportunity. Drives me crazy because I finally have giant hi-res monitors on my workstation with plenty of room for scroll bars and tablet people are doing everything possible to get rid of them, even taking away the option.
One thing I hafta admit is that I'm only and purely thinking about desktop use. Dunno, maybe it's just me, but I detest having to click my way down a menu hierarchy, I'd vastly rather sroll up and down on a page that I *know* has what I'm looking for.
On the other hand, scroll wheels and gestures have made it easier to do. But we need indication that scrolling is even possible, which is often harder these days due to dictates of fashion. AKA "lack of affordances"
-Mike
Ray,
The problem with rants is they can be incoherent, I initially thought you were talking about menus and commands, but now you seem to be just talking about the preferences setting process.
1. If it was a single preferences dialog with a list operating like the keybinding dialog then it would be far bigger than even your giant screen and need scrolling every time, on average half the list.
2. Leaving the scroll where you last left it is useful when you change the wrong thing and want to change it back, but otherwise its worse, you have to know/guess/randomly pick which way to scroll to find whatever else you want to change, up or down.
3. Scrolling with mice is (relatively) easy on desktops with large screens, but its a [expletive deleted] pain on laptops with touchpads, which also have smaller screens so need to scroll more, and a surprising number of people use those for development. Luckily Geany isn't likely to be used on tablets or phones where its all touch.
4. Other IDEs (Eclipse, vscode that I know of) do have a single dialog, but to avoid scrolling hell they are arranged like directory trees in file managers, the categories (and sub-categories where applicable) are rolled up and the user only has to unroll the category they need ... scroll to category, click expand, scroll through category, "damn wrong one", scroll back up, click unexpand, scroll categories, pick another and rinse and repeat. Its the worst of both worlds.
5. To be fair the Eclipse/vscode method is better when the expert user actually knows which category and sub category they want, but until then its a pain. But then that also applies to the tabbed dialog Geany uses, its easy to navigate when you know where you want to go.
6. As Mike pointed out, Geany is not _specifically_ targeted at novice users, expecting them to learn the UI layout over time is not unreasonable, and it is organised in a way that makes sense ... to the people who wrote it. And the people who contribute are the ones who choose the target users, and they have chosen themselves.
So essentially there is no good solution, everybody has one they prefer, but the only one that matters to Geany is the one somebody contributes to the project.
Cheers Grumpy olde guy Lex
On 2022-09-27 15:07, Lex Trotman wrote:
Ray,
The problem with rants is they can be incoherent, I initially thought you were talking about menus and commands, but now you seem to be just talking about the preferences setting process.
I'm talking about the whole paradigm!
- If it was a single preferences dialog with a list operating like
the keybinding dialog then it would be far bigger than even your giant screen and need scrolling every time, on average half the list.
No, that would be going too far. There will be menus of course, but not sub-sub-sub menus. As I mentioned, the General menu has no reason to have two tabs within it, all that info could be on the one page.
- Leaving the scroll where you last left it is useful when you change
the wrong thing and want to change it back, but otherwise its worse, you have to know/guess/randomly pick which way to scroll to find whatever else you want to change, up or down.
OK, but that's why backing up and restoring a config file should be a piece of cake. In any event, having to remember a sequence of clicks taking to you things you can't (yet) see but think you remember. If I make a change to some biggish config screen -- not just Geany, but anywhere -- the size of thing thing sorta gives me a 'geography' if you know what I mean. But the clicking down an hierarchy is not the same, it's an act of memory.
- Scrolling with mice is (relatively) easy on desktops with large
screens, but its a [expletive deleted] pain on laptops with touchpads,
Granted! I admit my thinking is 100% desktop oriented. God knows how you program on a cellphone anyway, but I'm old fashioned.
which also have smaller screens so need to scroll more, and a surprising number of people use those for development. Luckily Geany isn't likely to be used on tablets or phones where its all touch.
- Other IDEs (Eclipse, vscode that I know of) do have a single
dialog, but to avoid scrolling hell they are arranged like directory trees in file managers, the categories (and sub-categories where applicable) are rolled up and the user only has to unroll the category they need ... scroll to category, click expand, scroll through category, "damn wrong one", scroll back up, click unexpand, scroll categories, pick another and rinse and repeat. Its the worst of both worlds.
Funny how 'progress' makes things worse.
- To be fair the Eclipse/vscode method is better when the expert user
actually knows which category and sub category they want,
Yes. Yes. Yes. IF you know exactly what you are looking for that's true, but if you are lost in the woods ... different story.
but until then its a pain. But then that also applies to the tabbed dialog Geany uses, its easy to navigate when you know where you want to go.
- As Mike pointed out, Geany is not _specifically_ targeted at novice
users, expecting them to learn the UI layout over time is not unreasonable, and it is organised in a way that makes sense ... to the people who wrote it. And the people who contribute are the ones who choose the target users, and they have chosen themselves.
So essentially there is no good solution, everybody has one they prefer, but the only one that matters to Geany is the one somebody contributes to the project.
Cheers Grumpy olde guy Lex
I'm glad to have you devs giving me some interaction on this. I'm a bit of a prophet in the wilderness. But I've hated dialogue boxes since Windows 4. Seems to me the universe has just gotten used to that paradigm, but I never did.
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On Wed, 28 Sept 2022 at 10:00, Ray Andrews rayandrews@eastlink.ca wrote:
On 2022-09-27 15:07, Lex Trotman wrote:
Ray,
The problem with rants is they can be incoherent, I initially thought you were talking about menus and commands, but now you seem to be just talking about the preferences setting process.
I'm talking about the whole paradigm!
Hmmmm, I see the paradigm as different, "menus" are selections from a set of commands, "dialogs" are small GUI windows for setting of values. Maybe you have the terminology wrong, see philosophical waffle at the end :-)
- If it was a single preferences dialog with a list operating like
the keybinding dialog then it would be far bigger than even your giant screen and need scrolling every time, on average half the list.
No, that would be going too far. There will be menus of course, but not sub-sub-sub menus. As I mentioned, the General menu has no reason to have two tabs within it, all that info could be on the one page.
There is no "General" menu item in Geany, do you mean the "General" tab in the preferences dialog, in which case you are using the wrong terminology and confusing things.
Menus are the "File" "Edit" "Search" etc along the top of the main window, and the menu item "Edit->Preferences" opens a dialog with a notebook with many pages. The dialog has vertical tabs "General" "Interface" etc which select groups of pages that address similarish settings, and the horizontal tabs select the pages in the group, eg "Startup" "Miscellaneous" in "General".
If the "Startup" and "Miscellaneous" pages were combined the resulting page would be tall enough that we are back in scrolling hell.
- Leaving the scroll where you last left it is useful when you change
the wrong thing and want to change it back, but otherwise its worse, you have to know/guess/randomly pick which way to scroll to find whatever else you want to change, up or down.
OK, but that's why backing up and restoring a config file should be a piece of cake. In any event, having to remember a sequence of clicks taking to you things you can't (yet) see but think you remember. If I make a change to some biggish config screen -- not just Geany, but anywhere -- the size of thing thing sorta gives me a 'geography' if you know what I mean. But the clicking down an hierarchy is not the same, it's an act of memory.
Yes its not good for those of us with a poor short term, ummm, ahh, what do you call it, ahh memory!
- Scrolling with mice is (relatively) easy on desktops with large
screens, but its a [expletive deleted] pain on laptops with touchpads,
Granted! I admit my thinking is 100% desktop oriented. God knows how you program on a cellphone anyway, but I'm old fashioned.
I think they are programmed on desktops with emulators, so as I said Geany isn't targeted at those platforms.
which also have smaller screens so need to scroll more, and a surprising number of people use those for development. Luckily Geany isn't likely to be used on tablets or phones where its all touch.
- Other IDEs (Eclipse, vscode that I know of) do have a single
dialog, but to avoid scrolling hell they are arranged like directory trees in file managers, the categories (and sub-categories where applicable) are rolled up and the user only has to unroll the category they need ... scroll to category, click expand, scroll through category, "damn wrong one", scroll back up, click unexpand, scroll categories, pick another and rinse and repeat. Its the worst of both worlds.
Funny how 'progress' makes things worse.
I'm not sure anything has changed, there is no good solution to fitting too much information on a finite sized screen, I remember years (ok decades) ago an emacs settings system that effectively was a specialist editor for config files, so it was an enormous categorised list (just like your request), and nothing was findable without prior knowledge. But it was an improvement on editing the config files as lisp text, it was harder to break the config formatting. But I remember desperately scrolling up and down looking for what I wanted. I never did get the hang of the Emacs paradigm.
- To be fair the Eclipse/vscode method is better when the expert user
actually knows which category and sub category they want,
Yes. Yes. Yes. IF you know exactly what you are looking for that's true, but if you are lost in the woods ... different story.
Yes, users need to learn their tool, at least until direct neural downloads are available.
but until then its a pain. But then that also applies to the tabbed dialog Geany uses, its easy to navigate when you know where you want to go.
- As Mike pointed out, Geany is not _specifically_ targeted at novice
users, expecting them to learn the UI layout over time is not unreasonable, and it is organised in a way that makes sense ... to the people who wrote it. And the people who contribute are the ones who choose the target users, and they have chosen themselves.
So essentially there is no good solution, everybody has one they prefer, but the only one that matters to Geany is the one somebody contributes to the project.
Cheers Grumpy olde guy Lex
I'm glad to have you devs giving me some interaction on this. I'm a bit of a prophet in the wilderness. But I've hated dialogue boxes since Windows 4. Seems to me the universe has just gotten used to that paradigm, but I never did.
I think you are still misusing the terminology. As I said at the start, "dialog"s are little windows for entering values, so other than editing raw config files, dialogs are the only way of entering values in a Graphical User Interface.
You have complained several times about levels of nesting, could it be that by "dialogs" you actually mean having hierarchical interactions compared to a flat user interface?
[start philosophy]
Humans are categorising animals, they have always used them, categories like "I can eat it", "it will eat me" were useful to cave men, and for societal arrangement, "big chief", "local chief", "family head", "wife", "family dog", "me" kept human disputes down as everybody knew their place. So our brains have become wired for managing hierarchies.
Of course thats a broad generalisation and everybody's ability to remember, understand and interact with hierarchies varies, but in general humans are good at it. So it makes a natural computer interface paradigm for the majority of people, and is not likely to change soon, notwithstanding you as an outlier.
[end philosophy]
Or to put it another way, as you admitted you are "pushing **it uphill with a fork", or "paddling a canoe upstream with a barbed wire paddle" and such similar memes.
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On 2022-09-27 18:40, Lex Trotman wrote:
Hmmmm, I see the paradigm as different, "menus" are selections from a set of commands, "dialogs" are small GUI windows for setting of values. Maybe you have the terminology wrong, see philosophical waffle at the end :-)
Could be that as I start foaming at the mouth I get sloppy with the language.
There is no "General" menu item in Geany, do you mean the "General" tab in the preferences dialog, in which case you are using the wrong terminology and confusing things.
Preferences > General. This is a menu, no? Ok, it's a tab, but the tab gives a menu, no?
Menus are the "File" "Edit" "Search" etc along the top of the main window,
I have no issue calling those menus, but I'd call the former menus too. Mind, it's up to me to get my language straight.
If the "Startup" and "Miscellaneous" pages were combined the resulting page would be tall enough that we are back in scrolling hell.
Scrolling heaven! I hate forgetting which ... sub-menu ... ok, wrong language, but you get me ... something might be hidden in, just show me the whole show for 'General' and maybe I have to hit the down arrow but it's all there.
Yes its not good for those of us with a poor short term, ummm, ahh, what do you call it, ahh memory!
That's the truth. I can recite reams of poetry, but the short term clicky, clicky, look, look, shit, not there, try somewhere else, clicky clicky, not there either, go back, start again, clicky clicky, oops I was just there, try again, clicky clicky, opps the whole menu collapsed, try again .... I *hate* that.
I'm not sure anything has changed, there is no good solution to fitting too much information on a finite sized screen, I remember years (ok decades) ago an emacs settings system that effectively was a specialist editor for config files, so it was an enormous categorised list (just like your request), and nothing was findable without prior knowledge.
But one has to keep one's shirt on. I'm not opposed to a hierarchy, just so long as it doesn't get too confusing. Tabs, buttons, vertical tabs, ... too much pretty. Also, there's no reason not to have a button that jumps to some index in a bigger page. One can jump *but* also scroll up and down.
You have complained several times about levels of nesting, could it be that by "dialogs" you actually mean having hierarchical interactions compared to a flat user interface?
That sounds about right, it's the number of levels and the multiplicity of ways of going 'down'. Again, I don't desire 'flat' just a tree that's 'broader' and less 'high'. Fewer clicks.
Of course thats a broad generalisation and everybody's ability to remember, understand and interact with hierarchies varies, but in general humans are good at it. So it makes a natural computer interface paradigm for the majority of people, and is not likely to change soon, notwithstanding you as an outlier.
There must be organization, but it can be ... again, the keybindings gets it perfect ... 'headings' or index points, *but* one does not have to wonder which sub sub sub screen to click too, it's all there. And scrolling up and down, you get the 'overall' plan of the thing, you get 'geography'.
[end philosophy]
Or to put it another way, as you admitted you are "pushing **it uphill with a fork", or "paddling a canoe upstream with a barbed wire paddle" and such similar memes.
I'm not expecting to throw off Microsoft's yoke, but it's sure nice to think about it. Geany does better than some. Take Firefox. Where might my detailed profile info be found? Help > More Troubleshooting Information > about:profile. No, I'm not looking for help, I'm looking for configuration information. And I might not be troubleshooting. Give me a 'Configuration' menu please lads.
On 2022-09-27 15:07, Lex Trotman wrote:
So essentially there is no good solution, everybody has one they prefer, but the only one that matters to Geany is the one somebody contributes to the project.
I'd tweak this statement to say there is no perfect solution. But several decent ones, and Geany is already pretty-darn good. BTW, did you see this?
Almost every other top-level widget in geany has a menu-item toggle in the View menu. But the Status Bar is conspicuously absent for no particular reason. Add it and the long journey thru the prefs would be avoided in the first place.
Would it be possible to add that? Good for consistency, I think.
-Mike
On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 08:24, Mike Miller geany-users@mgmiller.net wrote:
On 2022-09-27 15:07, Lex Trotman wrote:
So essentially there is no good solution, everybody has one they prefer, but the only one that matters to Geany is the one somebody contributes to the project.
I'd tweak this statement to say there is no perfect solution. But several decent ones, and Geany is already pretty-darn good. BTW, did you see this?
Almost every other top-level widget in geany has a menu-item toggle in the View menu. But the Status Bar is conspicuously absent for no particular reason. Add it and the long journey thru the prefs would be avoided in the first place.Would it be possible to add that? Good for consistency, I think.
If somebody contributed a well written pull request it might be accepted, see "somebody contributes" phrase above.
Cheers Lex
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