On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 19:05, Thomas Martitz kugel@rockbox.org wrote:
Am 15.06.21 um 23:28 schrieb Enrico Tröger:
On 15.06.21 14:07, Lex Trotman wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 21:18, Peter Scholtens via Users users@lists.geany.org wrote:
As an FOSS project, one further requirement I would suggest is to *keep* using an open source and federated protocol. Obliging infrequent users to sign on to a developer site seems like a too high threshold to me.
"To start chatting on Matrix you’ll need to sign up for a user account." -- Matrix intro
So its the same thing, just a different place, users will still have to make yet another account.
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Organisations like Mozilla and Gnome seem to be running their own servers, but as Enrico said, that will only happen for Geany if someone does it _and maintains it_ ... and not just for his suggested three weeks ;-)
Exactly. If anyone wants to setup a <insert Matrix's term for a Geany related group> and/or maybe even a bridge to IRC, feel free. I didn't mean to stop anyone from doing so. Maybe it will be used like IRC before or even more. Or not. My only wish is that it should last a bit and, in my experience, hosting once setup works pretty good and on its own once you setup it carefully. But at some point something just breaks (for various reasons) and it needs work. So it's always rather a marathon than a sprint.
If anyone wants to build something like this or so, feel free to create PR for the website to mention it.
Thanks Thomas but unfortunately you have given me even more questions that the Matrix site doesn't answer (that I could find) :-S
There seems to be some misconception. Matrix is a federated protocol. That means that there is no single instance that is the "host" of a #geany matrix channel.
Anyone can open such a channel, and it will propagate to any Matrix server that "owns" clients that participate in the chat, and all of those servers have the entire history.
So how does a server get clients? Or perhaps its more how does a client find a server? If I want to join a channel what do I do? Who runs the servers?
So its like IRC in that all conversations on the #geany channel are mixed together. But unlike IRC the servers maintain the history?
So there is no action required to keep the channel alive, as long as there are participating (even if idle) users.
How does the "federation" handle loss of servers? Are there IRC like net splits? Or does it handle it all better?
If you want to write a bot to get the history on geany.org, or to serve coffee and drinks, then that's another story. However, the protocol (and python API for it) has been stable in my personal experience.
Oh no, how can we possibly live without beverage service ;-)
Cheers Lex
Best regards.
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