Hi all,
My hard drive failed yesterday morning, so after installing a new one I decided to update the OS and installed the latest Linux Mint.
Imagine my surprise when the Geany icon wasn't the familiar teapot, but https://github.com/elextr/geany_stuff/raw/master/geany.svg.
I initially blamed Ubuntu since Geany was installed from its repository, sorry, but in fact Mint is overriding it with a theme.
This looks like Arabic script to me, so Frank, can any of your translators tell us what it says?
Things like "Geany" or "Worlds best editor" would be acceptable, but "may your code be infested with bugs" might not :)
Cheers Lex
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
My hard drive failed yesterday morning, so after installing a new one I decided to update the OS and installed the latest Linux Mint.
Imagine my surprise when the Geany icon wasn't the familiar teapot, but https://github.com/elextr/geany_stuff/raw/master/geany.svg.
I initially blamed Ubuntu since Geany was installed from its repository, sorry, but in fact Mint is overriding it with a theme.
This looks like Arabic script to me, so Frank, can any of your translators tell us what it says?
Well, Geany makes allusion to a 'genie' or 'jinn' [1], which is most known from the (Arabic, I assume) tale of Aladdin [2]. If you click on the 'Arabic' article in [1] you will be directed to 'جيني', which, to the best of my understanding of Arabic script (which is null), uses the same spelling as in the *.svg file [3]. So I would go with 'جيني' meaning Geany, in Arabic script. It would be cool to have this on the the main page of geany.org!
Any Arab reader or speaker please correct. Regards Liviu
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alladin [3] http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A
Things like "Geany" or "Worlds best editor" would be acceptable, but "may your code be infested with bugs" might not :)
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Liviu Andronic landronimirc@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
My hard drive failed yesterday morning, so after installing a new one I decided to update the OS and installed the latest Linux Mint.
Imagine my surprise when the Geany icon wasn't the familiar teapot, but https://github.com/elextr/geany_stuff/raw/master/geany.svg.
I initially blamed Ubuntu since Geany was installed from its repository, sorry, but in fact Mint is overriding it with a theme.
This looks like Arabic script to me, so Frank, can any of your translators tell us what it says?
Well, Geany makes allusion to a 'genie' or 'jinn' [1], which is most known from the (Arabic, I assume) tale of Aladdin [2]. If you click on the 'Arabic' article in [1] you will be directed to 'جيني', which, to the best of my understanding of Arabic script (which is null), uses the same spelling as in the *.svg file [3]. So I would go with 'جيني' meaning Geany, in Arabic script. It would be cool to have this on the the main page of geany.org!
I may have gotten carried away with the links. Go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geany
and click on the Arabic link, and you will get http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A
containing 'Geany' spelled in Arabic.
Liviu
Any Arab reader or speaker please correct. Regards Liviu
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alladin [3] http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AC%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A
Things like "Geany" or "Worlds best editor" would be acceptable, but "may your code be infested with bugs" might not :)
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:43:33 +0200, Liviu wrote:
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
My hard drive failed yesterday morning, so after installing a new one I decided to update the OS and installed the latest Linux Mint.
Imagine my surprise when the Geany icon wasn't the familiar teapot, but https://github.com/elextr/geany_stuff/raw/master/geany.svg.
I initially blamed Ubuntu since Geany was installed from its repository, sorry, but in fact Mint is overriding it with a theme.
This looks like Arabic script to me, so Frank, can any of your translators tell us what it says?
Well, Geany makes allusion to a 'genie' or 'jinn' [1], which is most known from the (Arabic, I assume) tale of Aladdin [2]. If you click on the 'Arabic' article in [1] you will be directed to 'جيني', which, to the best of my understanding of Arabic script (which is null), uses the same spelling as in the *.svg file [3]. So I would go with 'جيني' meaning Geany, in Arabic script. It would be cool to have this on the the main page of geany.org!
I hope this was meant ironic. I can't stand distros replacing application icons. No matter of people like the current icon or not, it is Geany's icon, meant to help identifying the application in the menu or whereever else the icon is used, same for the website. And in general, it's a specific application icon which are not to be replaced, it's not that it is a generic icon like 'file-manager' or 'open file'.
I think we should contact the package maintainer to remove this custom icon and use Geany's icon instead. I'll do this probably next week unless someone else beats me.
Regards, Enrico
2011/10/27 Enrico Tröger enrico.troeger@uvena.de:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:43:33 +0200, Liviu wrote:
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
My hard drive failed yesterday morning, so after installing a new one I decided to update the OS and installed the latest Linux Mint.
Imagine my surprise when the Geany icon wasn't the familiar teapot, but https://github.com/elextr/geany_stuff/raw/master/geany.svg.
I initially blamed Ubuntu since Geany was installed from its repository, sorry, but in fact Mint is overriding it with a theme.
This looks like Arabic script to me, so Frank, can any of your translators tell us what it says?
Well, Geany makes allusion to a 'genie' or 'jinn' [1], which is most known from the (Arabic, I assume) tale of Aladdin [2]. If you click on the 'Arabic' article in [1] you will be directed to 'جيني', which, to the best of my understanding of Arabic script (which is null), uses the same spelling as in the *.svg file [3]. So I would go with 'جيني' meaning Geany, in Arabic script. It would be cool to have this on the the main page of geany.org!
I hope this was meant ironic. I can't stand distros replacing application icons. No matter of people like the current icon or not, it is Geany's icon, meant to help identifying the application in the menu or whereever else the icon is used, same for the website. And in general, it's a specific application icon which are not to be replaced, it's not that it is a generic icon like 'file-manager' or 'open file'.
I think we should contact the package maintainer to remove this custom icon and use Geany's icon instead. I'll do this probably next week unless someone else beats me.
Regards, Enrico
I've gotta agree with Enrico, icons are meant to identify with the application/action they perform, something that happens over time, so they should not be changed arbitrarily by anyone. I can understand a theme changing the colours of an icon if it clashes badly, but not the basic image.
And icons are just that, they should not contain text in *any* language since that restricts the identification of the icon with the use of the icon to those who read that language.
So everyone should complain :)
Cheers Lex
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On 11-10-26 11:59 AM, Enrico Tröger wrote:
I can't stand distros replacing application icons. No matter of people like the current icon or not, it is Geany's icon, meant to help identifying the application in the menu or whereever else the icon is used, same for the website. And in general, it's a specific application icon which are not to be replaced, it's not that it is a generic icon like 'file-manager' or 'open file'.
+1
IMO, it's fine to change the "style" of an icon to make it fit in with the rest of the theme, but not to completely replace the icon. I mean if it was still a yellow genie bottle with the red things and smoke, but was glossier or shaded different or something, that's fine, and most icon themes do this. But to completely change the icon and replace it with a whole other icon, and then add non-translatable text so most users can't read it is just wrong. Even in Arabic, if it does spell "genie", it's still wrong (well, technically "geany" is wrong, but you know what I mean :).
I don't understand why the designer couldn't have used the blue background with the recognizable genie bottle ontop, or done just like was done with the firefox, thunderbird, chrome, etc. icons. Probably those companies would've legally made him/her remove the icons since AFAIK their icons are covered under a different license than their source code.
I think we should contact the package maintainer to remove this custom icon and use Geany's icon instead. I'll do this probably next week unless someone else beats me.
The theme is called Faenza. I guess we can't really do anything more than to file a bug report or ask the designer to change it, since there's nothing illegal or anything with doing this, it's just stupid. Also, what license is Geany's icon covered under? I guess GPL by default since no other license is specified?
Here's some backup support[1][2][3][4] for your argument BTW to help persuade the designer and/or packager :)
Cheers, Matthew Brush
[1] http://identi.ca/egon0/tag/faenza [2] http://comments.deviantart.com/1/173323228/1705068006 [3] http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=141003&forumpage=1&P... (search for geany) [4] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=128143 (search for geany)
[...]
The theme is called Faenza. I guess we can't really do anything more than
More importantly it is part of Mint-X the mint default theme.
Cheers Lex
to file a bug report or ask the designer to change it, since there's nothing illegal or anything with doing this, it's just stupid. Also, what license is Geany's icon covered under? I guess GPL by default since no other license is specified?
Here's some backup support[1][2][3][4] for your argument BTW to help persuade the designer and/or packager :)
Cheers, Matthew Brush
[1] http://identi.ca/egon0/tag/faenza [2] http://comments.deviantart.com/1/173323228/1705068006 [3] http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=141003&forumpage=1&P... (search for geany) [4] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=128143 (search for geany) _______________________________________________ Geany-devel mailing list Geany-devel@uvena.de https://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-devel
On 27 October 2011 10:30, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
The theme is called Faenza. I guess we can't really do anything more than
More importantly it is part of Mint-X the mint default theme.
Bug reported, please add comments to back up the bug.
Cheers Lex
Cheers Lex
to file a bug report or ask the designer to change it, since there's nothing illegal or anything with doing this, it's just stupid. Also, what license is Geany's icon covered under? I guess GPL by default since no other license is specified?
Here's some backup support[1][2][3][4] for your argument BTW to help persuade the designer and/or packager :)
Cheers, Matthew Brush
[1] http://identi.ca/egon0/tag/faenza [2] http://comments.deviantart.com/1/173323228/1705068006 [3] http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=141003&forumpage=1&P... (search for geany) [4] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=128143 (search for geany) _______________________________________________ Geany-devel mailing list Geany-devel@uvena.de https://lists.uvena.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geany-devel
On 27 October 2011 11:02, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 October 2011 10:30, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
The theme is called Faenza. I guess we can't really do anything more than
More importantly it is part of Mint-X the mint default theme.
Bug reported, please add comments to back up the bug.
The bug has been categorised as opinion, if none of you can be bothered to add comments then it is likely to be ignored.
Cheers Lex
On 11-10-28 12:08 AM, Lex Trotman wrote:
On 27 October 2011 11:02, Lex Trotmanelextr@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 October 2011 10:30, Lex Trotmanelextr@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
The theme is called Faenza. I guess we can't really do anything more than
More importantly it is part of Mint-X the mint default theme.
Bug reported, please add comments to back up the bug.
The bug has been categorised as opinion, if none of you can be bothered to add comments then it is likely to be ignored.
IIRC the bug URL was on Launchpad somewhere and I can't be bothered to use Launchpad, it crashes my browser and I don't even know what my login/email/password is.
Maybe tomorrow I'll post a bug on the upstream project (Faenza on Google Projects), I have an account for this and it'll get straight at the designer rather than going through the Mint package maintainer.
Cheers, Matthew Brush
On 28 October 2011 18:16, Matthew Brush mbrush@codebrainz.ca wrote:
On 11-10-28 12:08 AM, Lex Trotman wrote:
On 27 October 2011 11:02, Lex Trotmanelextr@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 October 2011 10:30, Lex Trotmanelextr@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
The theme is called Faenza. I guess we can't really do anything more than
More importantly it is part of Mint-X the mint default theme.
Bug reported, please add comments to back up the bug.
The bug has been categorised as opinion, if none of you can be bothered to add comments then it is likely to be ignored.
IIRC the bug URL was on Launchpad somewhere and I can't be bothered to use Launchpad, it crashes my browser and I don't even know what my login/email/password is.
Maybe tomorrow I'll post a bug on the upstream project (Faenza on Google Projects), I have an account for this and it'll get straight at the designer rather than going through the Mint package maintainer.
Sure, double pronged attack.
Cheers Lex
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On 28 October 2011 18:08, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 October 2011 11:02, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 October 2011 10:30, Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
The theme is called Faenza. I guess we can't really do anything more than
More importantly it is part of Mint-X the mint default theme.
Bug reported, please add comments to back up the bug.
The bug has been categorised as opinion, if none of you can be bothered to add comments then it is likely to be ignored.
Cheers Lex
And for those without access to Google :D
https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/882336
Cheers Lex
Am 26.10.2011 20:59, schrieb Enrico Tröger:
I think we should contact the package maintainer to remove this custom icon and use Geany's icon instead. I'll do this probably next week unless someone else beats me.
FWIW, I agree with you. I hate the mint's icon for geany, because it's so un-geany-y (it even persists if you compile geany from source). However I'm guilty to not have reported it earlier (I use mint for some months now).
I also agree that the icon is important to recognize Geany. IMO, they should use the official icon if they call it Geany. Anything else creates confusion.
Best regards.