Hi,
Regarding https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1870
What are people's thoughts on transitioning away from GitHub?
I personally have given GitHub a free pass up to now due to the benefits they were providing to the FOSS community. Following the Microsoft buyout I no longer wish to do so and have moved all repositories I control to GitLab. I am considering closing my GitHub account altogether and will be considerably more likely to contribute to GitLab projects in future. In this i'm sure that I am not alone.
I also think that Geany, as a Free and Open Source Software program, should be hosted on a FOSS repository management site. The same open source arguments that we use to promote Geany apply here.
At the very least I think the gitlab.com/geany project domain should be claimed and mirrored.
Kind Regards, Mark
Hi all
On 06/06/2018 10:53 AM, Mark O'Donovan wrote:
Hi,
Regarding https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1870
What are people's thoughts on transitioning away from GitHub?
I personally never liked github anyway, as it seemed clear to me that it was primarily about making money, they chose a .com domain after all...
But as I am only a very minor contributor, my opinion is of course not important and I can't judge about the effort that is needed for that.
On a side note: I see that gitlab is .com, too...
Bye Tim
I would upvote for at least mirroring to gitlab as a first step.
Saludos,
* Abel.*
On 6 June 2018 at 14:39, Tim Tassonis stuff@decentral.ch wrote:
Hi all
On 06/06/2018 10:53 AM, Mark O'Donovan wrote:
Hi,
Regarding https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1870
What are people's thoughts on transitioning away from GitHub?
I personally never liked github anyway, as it seemed clear to me that it was primarily about making money, they chose a .com domain after all...
But as I am only a very minor contributor, my opinion is of course not important and I can't judge about the effort that is needed for that.
On a side note: I see that gitlab is .com, too...
Bye Tim
Devel mailing list Devel@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel
On 2018-06-06 01:53 AM, Mark O'Donovan wrote:
Hi,
Regarding https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1870
What are people's thoughts on transitioning away from GitHub?
I personally have given GitHub a free pass up to now due to the benefits they were providing to the FOSS community. Following the Microsoft buyout I no longer wish to do so and have moved all repositories I control to GitLab. I am considering closing my GitHub account altogether and will be considerably more likely to contribute to GitLab projects in future. In this i'm sure that I am not alone.
I also think that Geany, as a Free and Open Source Software program, should be hosted on a FOSS repository management site. The same open source arguments that we use to promote Geany apply here.
What changes with the new ownership? As I understand it, the website is to remain free for open source projects, is still proprietary software, and is still owned by an (albeit massively larger) for-profit corporation.
At the very least I think the gitlab.com/geany project domain should be claimed and mirrored.
That seems reasonable, as long as the bug tracker and pull requests and such can be disabled, and the mirroring can be automated.
Regards, Matthew Brush
At the very least I think the gitlab.com/geany project domain should be
claimed and mirrored.
That seems reasonable, as long as the bug tracker and pull requests and such can be disabled, and the mirroring can be automated.
I can understand to disable the bug tracker, but why do you want to disable pull requests? The objective here I think it's to open the door to the people who want to contribute in gitlab instead of in github.
Regards, Matthew Brush
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 at 00:16, Matthew Brush mbrush@codebrainz.ca wrote:
On 2018-06-06 01:53 AM, Mark O'Donovan wrote:
Hi,
Regarding https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1870
What are people's thoughts on transitioning away from GitHub?
I personally have given GitHub a free pass up to now due to the benefits they were providing to the FOSS community. Following the Microsoft buyout I no longer wish to do so and have moved all repositories I control to GitLab. I am considering closing my GitHub account altogether and will be considerably more likely to contribute to GitLab projects in future. In this i'm sure that I am not alone.
I also think that Geany, as a Free and Open Source Software program, should be hosted on a FOSS repository management site. The same open source arguments that we use to promote Geany apply here.
What changes with the new ownership? As I understand it, the website is to remain free for open source projects, is still proprietary software, and is still owned by an (albeit massively larger) for-profit corporation.
Agree with Matthew, as far as Geany is concerned, nothing changes, a company allows us to use their infrastructure, so we do. It will always be on their terms. Same with Sourceforge same with Gitlab.
And to add, Gitlab is also a private company, with terms of use that allow it to unilaterally change the terms of use without notification, but all users are responsible for monitoring the terms and obeying them. The only difference is that they provide the software (including their ability to monitor your use in the binary installs) for you to set up your own copy, but Geany does not have the infrastructure or manpower to set up and maintain its own site.
At the very least I think the gitlab.com/geany project domain should be claimed and mirrored.
That seems reasonable, as long as the bug tracker and pull requests and such can be disabled, and the mirroring can be automated.
by Akronix: I can understand to disable the bug tracker, but why do you want to disable pull requests? The objective here I think it's to open the door to the people who want to contribute in gitlab instead of in github
Agree with Matthew, the main Geany contributors are not finding enough time to handle just Github, they don't want to be interacting with two different sites, its likely to be a shambles, thats why it should be a pure mirror.
Regards Lex
Regards, Matthew Brush
Devel mailing list Devel@lists.geany.org https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel
Le 06/06/2018 à 23:26, Lex Trotman a écrit :
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 at 00:16, Matthew Brush mbrush@codebrainz.ca wrote:
On 2018-06-06 01:53 AM, Mark O'Donovan wrote:
Hi,
Regarding https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1870
What are people's thoughts on transitioning away from GitHub?
I personally have given GitHub a free pass up to now due to the benefits they were providing to the FOSS community. Following the Microsoft buyout I no longer wish to do so and have moved all repositories I control to GitLab. I am considering closing my GitHub account altogether and will be considerably more likely to contribute to GitLab projects in future. In this i'm sure that I am not alone.
I also think that Geany, as a Free and Open Source Software program, should be hosted on a FOSS repository management site. The same open source arguments that we use to promote Geany apply here.
What changes with the new ownership? As I understand it, the website is to remain free for open source projects, is still proprietary software, and is still owned by an (albeit massively larger) for-profit corporation.
Agree with Matthew, as far as Geany is concerned, nothing changes, a company allows us to use their infrastructure, so we do. It will always be on their terms. Same with Sourceforge same with Gitlab.
And to add, Gitlab is also a private company, with terms of use that allow it to unilaterally change the terms of use without notification, but all users are responsible for monitoring the terms and obeying them. The only difference is that they provide the software (including their ability to monitor your use in the binary installs) for you to set up your own copy, but Geany does not have the infrastructure or manpower to set up and maintain its own site.
Another possibility is to use an instance of gitlab managed by a non profit organization like framagit[1] by a french association framasoft[2] just my 2cents ...
Jérôme
[1] https://framagit.org [2] https://framasoft.org/
At the very least I think the gitlab.com/geany project domain should be claimed and mirrored.
That seems reasonable, as long as the bug tracker and pull requests and such can be disabled, and the mirroring can be automated.
by Akronix: I can understand to disable the bug tracker, but why do you want to disable pull requests? The objective here I think it's to open the door to the people who want to contribute in gitlab instead of in github
Agree with Matthew, the main Geany contributors are not finding enough time to handle just Github, they don't want to be interacting with two different sites, its likely to be a shambles, thats why it should be a pure mirror.
Regards Lex
Regards, Matthew Brush
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On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 11:26 PM Lex Trotman elextr@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 at 00:16, Matthew Brush mbrush@codebrainz.ca wrote:
On 2018-06-06 01:53 AM, Mark O'Donovan wrote:
Hi,
Regarding https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1870
What are people's thoughts on transitioning away from GitHub?
I personally have given GitHub a free pass up to now due to the
benefits
they were providing to the FOSS community. Following the Microsoft buyout I no longer wish to do so and have moved all repositories I control to GitLab. I am considering closing my GitHub account
altogether
and will be considerably more likely to contribute to GitLab projects
in
future. In this i'm sure that I am not alone.
I also think that Geany, as a Free and Open Source Software program, should be hosted on a FOSS repository management site. The same open source arguments that we use to promote Geany apply here.
What changes with the new ownership? As I understand it, the website is to remain free for open source projects, is still proprietary software, and is still owned by an (albeit massively larger) for-profit
corporation.
Agree with Matthew, as far as Geany is concerned, nothing changes, a company allows us to use their infrastructure, so we do. It will always be on their terms. Same with Sourceforge same with Gitlab.
And to add, Gitlab is also a private company, with terms of use that allow it to unilaterally change the terms of use without notification, but all users are responsible for monitoring the terms and obeying them. The only difference is that they provide the software (including their ability to monitor your use in the binary installs) for you to set up your own copy, but Geany does not have the infrastructure or manpower to set up and maintain its own site.
Agree too. The possibility of self-hosting is too expensive time-wise and the alternative will always be depending on some company (unless it's a foundation but then it's a question of its funding and the financial sustainability - at the github scale it would be burning a lot of money). Github was not profitable and they had to do something to change that (and any new alternative to github where people start moving their projects will have to face the same issue eventually). So
1. They could cancel free accounts and start charging money 2. Sell the company to someone who does (1) 3. Sell the company to someone who will run the opensource projects in the "charity mode" to improve their image (and there are basically just two companies with enough resources who'd be willing to do that - Google and Microsoft)
I think Microsoft has been trying desperately to "be cool again" lately and this buyout is most probably part of their strategy "look how great we are and what we do for developers". So I'm mildly optimistic here, at least for the near future, until some Steve Ballmer v2 becomes a CEO...
Cheers,
Jiri
Am 06.06.2018 um 16:16 schrieb Matthew Brush:
On 2018-06-06 01:53 AM, Mark O'Donovan wrote:
Hi,
Regarding https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1870
What are people's thoughts on transitioning away from GitHub?
I personally have given GitHub a free pass up to now due to the benefits they were providing to the FOSS community. Following the Microsoft buyout I no longer wish to do so and have moved all repositories I control to GitLab. I am considering closing my GitHub account altogether and will be considerably more likely to contribute to GitLab projects in future. In this i'm sure that I am not alone.
I also think that Geany, as a Free and Open Source Software program, should be hosted on a FOSS repository management site. The same open source arguments that we use to promote Geany apply here.
What changes with the new ownership? As I understand it, the website is to remain free for open source projects, is still proprietary software, and is still owned by an (albeit massively larger) for-profit corporation.
I agree. For now, Github is just as proprietary as before so I see no reason for an immediate changeover.
I would welcome to use more open services in general. Although I'm not sure if Gitlab or anything else is any better if you can't afford self-hosting anyway.
Best regards.