On 23 May 2011 01:30, Randy Kramer rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
Lex,
This is one of those cases where I wrote a long email because I didn't have (or didn't want to take) the time to write a short email. Sorry.
Still short of time I see :-D and you didn't answer the question of what document you were talking about, so I will specify that I'm talking about the HTML doc I posted, I know what the settings in it are.
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I guess someone would say konqueror 3.5.9 is broken. Someday I'd expect to upgrade to kde 4.<something> which would hopefully solve the problem.
Time to replace your browser if it does that on my doc, thats incorrect behavior, its broken. On a current firefox it can shrink to a few characters wide and the scroll bar doesn't appear until it gets narrower than the widest single word.
So, I understand what you are saying now. And, if you want to put the document somewhere where the max width attribute can be specified, that's fine with me. (Because usually my browser is opened to the full width of the screen.)
Ditto, and it can't be resized because I have lots of tabs open and can't keep re-sizing the window each time I swap tabs.
OTOH, I wouldn't have a problem with your document on the wiki, because: * in konqueror (3.5.9) the text wraps to the width of the horizontal bars on the page, which, is about 78 characters according to wc * in Iceweasel, the text wraps to the the width of my browser window
I use konqueror as my default browser, with Java, Javascript, and cookies turned off. (I turn on cookies and javascript for selected pages when needed.)
Well that reduces the risk of the gaping security holes in such old browsers, but what a lot of trouble. I'd just upgrade.
If I can't successfully use a page in konqueror, I'll open it in Iceweasel.
And 3.0.6, thats an old version too :-)
(This is for a number of reasons, among them, Iceweasel (Firefox) doesn't (easily?) allow multiple independent instances--if I do something to make Iceweasel crash, all "instances" of iceweasel crash. (Firefox might have addressed that in the last few years.) In contrast, every instance of konqueror is a true independent instance--if one crashes, the others are not affected.)
Hmmm, I havn't had Firefox crash since I dunno when, I told you not to follow the links emailed to you by the nice Nigerian gentleman :-D
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I agree (very strongly) that document width should not exceed something like 60 to 80 characters (I'm agreeing with your <80). But, I'm happy to adjust that to suit myself by adjusting the width of my browser window (when necessary).
As I said above, users having to adjust the browser window is unacceptable with tabbed browsers.
If the browser itself, or the HTML (with the max width attribute you mention set to some limit (like 40 ems?), limits the lines to reasonable lengths, so I don't have to adjust the width of my browser, that's peachy.
Yes, what I'm advocating is providing the user an orchard :-)
The two (or three) things I do not like are: * long lines that will not wrap so I have to scroll horizontally to read the entire line
Agree, browser or website broken
* web pages with text in columns that in some browsers (konqueror 3.5.9) will not wrap to the displayed width of that column, so I have to scroll horizontally within that column
ditto
* even worse are the pages that won't let me horizontally scroll within that column and I have to C&P to an editor to read the text (fortunately, at least usually, the C&P, picks up the entire text even though it is not visible on my browser screen.
Real broken.
I guess I should experiment with the HTML max width attribute to see what it does.
Ok, I did some experimentation. Maybe (probably?) konqueror 3.5.9 is just a broken browser.
Yup.
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Apparently konqueror 3.5.9 treats the max width as both a min and max.
Yes, its broken, there's a theme happening here.
No, this time its not just me being a cranky opinionated so-and-so :-)
If you are being a cranky opinionated so-and-so, I have to claim membership in the same group. ;-)
Welcome :-)
Cheers Lex