[Geany-Users] question

Mon Apr 24 03:14:57 UTC 2017

On 24 April 2017 at 12:16, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 24 April 2017 at 09:07, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (Possible issue - - - I changed a top posted response to a bottom posting - - -
> sorry!  D)

Don't worry, not consistent about that anyway :)

>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Matthew Brush <mbrush at codebrainz.ca> wrote:
>>>> On 2017-04-23 11:31 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22 April 2017 at 12:33, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:45 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See http://home.gmane.org/ for that sites current situation.  May help
>>>>>>>> if more people let them know they want Geany archives back, but may
>>>>>>>> just annoy them if they are trying as hard as possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh boy - - - I have a complicated question and I had hoped to cruise the
>>>>>>> archive to see if anyone had talked about any of the aspects before I
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> dropped it on the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given that geany is in the process of being resuscitated what would you
>>>>>>> suggest as a 'reasonable' course of action?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be clear, its only the Geany archive on Gmane thats being
>>>>>> resuscitated, not Geany itself, don't want people to get the wrong
>>>>>> idea :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd say if google can't find anything relevant, just ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using a program called ledger (sometimes known as ledger-cli) with
>>>>> a text file for my 'recordkeeping' (what most people call accounting).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried to use both vim (and gvim) and emacs and I think I could
>>>>> possibly
>>>>> learn the mountain of pre-wysiwyg codes to use them effectively. Both
>>>>> suffer,
>>>>> in my opinion, in that they don't have a search tool that works in
>>>>> searching for
>>>>> financial data. Yes they have search tools but their quick use has eluded
>>>>> me
>>>>> after quite a number of tries. I only have so much time in my life and
>>>>> entering
>>>>> financial information isn't what I want to spend 20% of my life on - -
>>>>> - training
>>>>> someone else to use the system I'm presently using WITH these cumbersome
>>>>> and awkward search tools - - - I'm thinking what I would need is a serious
>>>>> programmer type - - - and why would they want to work as a bookkeeper
>>>>> for my business? (This preamble is the why.)
>>>>>
>>>>> So now to the issue (the what). When I open a file (text file) in geany
>>>>> the
>>>>> physical layout is different than when I open it in vim/emacs (and
>>>>> seemingly
>>>>> most of the other text editors I've tried).
>>>>>
>>>>> Eg
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016.01.03 (2 tab spaces)     Company name
>>>>> 1 tab space Expense: widgets: 5202.01.02.01    (a number of tab spaces) $
>>>>> 1.00
>>>>> 1 tab space Asset: account bank xyw: 1023.01.02.02       (")
>>>>>         $-1.00
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using a mono-spaced font  as I want the decimals to line up in the
>>>>> right,
>>>>> the beginning of both Expense and Asset (or whatever else that I'm using)
>>>>> are
>>>>> 1 tab space (when I can set things I've been trying to use either 4 or 5
>>>>> spaces
>>>>> for 1 tab) of indentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes there areas many as 6 or 7 Expense listings, there are sometimes
>>>>> 2 or 3 Asset listings. What is goofy is that when the text is aligned
>>>>> in Geany - - -
>>>>> well its NOT in Leafpad, vim or emacs. Switching between Leafpad vim or
>>>>> emacs does not seem to create this morphing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to stay with Geany because geany offers me the option of
>>>>> creating
>>>>> routines that I can call at the command line and then (hopefully) insert
>>>>> what I
>>>>> have called into the file (looking at using awk at the moment). Why
>>>>> I'm doing this
>>>>> is quite a bit more complicated than this delineated 'confusion' so for
>>>>> now - -
>>>>> please is there some way to get Geany to look exactly (in layout) like any
>>>>> of
>>>>> the other text editors?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanking any of those who care to tackle this in advance!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TL;DR
>>>>
>>>> If things are not aligned, make sure your font is actually mono spaced and
>>>> that nothing is bold (it messes with character widths). Then adjust the tab
>>>> width (Document->Set Indent Width) to match the other editors (usually 8
>>>> chars wide rather than Geany's 4 chars).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response!
>>>
>>> I checked - - - its a font called Monospace on my Debian 'stable' read 'Jessie'
>>> vm. All editors have the tab width set to 4 spaces (after checking previously
>>> - - - - I did try to find the problem!).
>>>
>>> What makes this confusing is that the single tab width at the beginning of the
>>> line is never different. The 2 tab spaces after the date is almost never an
>>> issue - - - but the end of the line $ amounts - - - well it shifts - -
>>> - sometimes
>>> to the right and sometimes to the left. Doesn't seem to be any consistency
>>> to it. That's why I'm totally puzzled as to how to fix.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Dee
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Lex Trotman <elextr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You need to provide a small actual file that shows the problem so
>> people can reproduce it. We can't do anything from the description.
>> With lines which show shifts both ways.  Using pastebin is fine
>> (clearly with no actual data in it).
>
> Well - - - the actual data is my financial data which isn't going anywhere.
> The VM is quite disconnected from the web in fact.

Well, you went to the trouble of typing the explanation, but that
doesn't produce any problem here, can't you just type an example that
shows the problem with values of 12345.00 or whatever?  If you can't
make a small file that shows the problem then neither can we, and we
have not actually seen the problem yet.  If we can't reproduce it we
can't fix it.

>>
>> Note that monospace isn't usually a font, its an alias for some named
>> font, so you need to find what that font is to tell if its REALLY
>> monospace.
>
> A description (in detail please) on how to determine what font it actually is
> would be useful.

That depends on your desktop, its not a Geany thing.  In my Cinnamon
desktop its under Menu->Preferences->Fonts but your mileage may
differ.

>>
>> Also version of Geany and operating system you are using would be useful.
>
> The version of Geany was first 1.29.1 and was upgraded to 1.30.1 Thursday or
> Friday. The operating system was mentioned in the last email.

You said its a VM running on Debian, whats running in the VM?

>
> If this inability to visualize the problem impedes a solution then I guess that
> I will need to continue searching for a text editor that is easy to use by
> a noob, needs a minimal amount of 'unusualness' and has a good search
> system. Geany meets all of these but is insisting on not only reading
> differently
> in other environments but even occasionally reading differently when a file is
> closed and then re-opened.

You mean the file looks different if it is closed by Geany and
re-opened by Geany without any other tools touching it?

>
> I tried to give you as close as possible a visual of what was happening but as
> I am using an 87 character line - - - - well 80 spaces can't display
> 87 so even if
> I could put the information here - - - you want actual copy of the file and its
> not anything I'm putting on the web. Why 87 characters - - - well I need room
> for the various items of each line and there must be a certain amount of white
> space between the 'description' part and the amount otherwise there are other
> issues. (Found that particular need just recently.)
>
> So you have everything that I 'can' give. Hopefully its enough.

As I said above, can't reproduce the problem yet.

Cheers
Lex

>
> Regards
>
> Dee
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