[Geany-Users] Future of the IRC ...

[Lex Trotman]

On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 19:05, Thomas Martitz <kugel at rockbox.org> wrote:
>
> Am 15.06.21 um 23:28 schrieb Enrico Tröger:
> > On 15.06.21 14:07, Lex Trotman wrote:
> >> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 21:18, Peter Scholtens via Users
> >> <users at lists.geany.org> wrote:
> >>> As an FOSS project, one further requirement I would suggest is to *keep* using an open source and federated protocol. Obliging infrequent users to sign on to a developer site seems like a too high threshold to me.
> >> "To start chatting on Matrix you’ll need to sign up for a user
> >> account." -- Matrix intro
> >>
> >> So its the same thing, just a different place, users will still have
> >> to make yet another account.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> Organisations like Mozilla and Gnome seem to be running their own
> >> servers, but as Enrico said, that will only happen for Geany if
> >> someone does it _and maintains it_ ... and not just for his suggested
> >> three weeks ;-)
> > Exactly.
> > If anyone wants to setup a <insert Matrix's term for a Geany related
> > group> and/or maybe even a bridge to IRC, feel free. I didn't mean to
> > stop anyone from doing so. Maybe it will be used like IRC before or even
> > more. Or not.
> > My only wish is that it should last a bit and, in my experience, hosting
> > once setup works pretty good and on its own once you setup it carefully.
> > But at some point something just breaks (for various reasons) and it
> > needs work. So it's always rather a marathon than a sprint.
> >
> > If anyone wants to build something like this or so, feel free to create
> > PR for the website to mention it.
>

Thanks Thomas but unfortunately you have given me even more questions
that the Matrix site doesn't answer (that I could find) :-S

>
> There seems to be some misconception. Matrix is a federated protocol.
> That means that there is no single instance that is the "host" of a
> #geany matrix channel.
>
> Anyone can open such a channel, and it will propagate to any Matrix
> server that "owns" clients that participate in the chat, and all of
> those servers have the entire history.

So how does a server get clients? Or perhaps its more how does a
client find a server?  If I want to join a channel what do I do?  Who
runs the servers?

So its like IRC in that all conversations on the #geany channel are
mixed together.  But unlike IRC the servers maintain the history?

>
> So there is no action required to keep the channel alive, as long as
> there are participating (even if idle) users.
>

How does the "federation" handle loss of servers? Are there IRC like
net splits? Or does it handle it all better?

>
> If you want to write a bot to get the history on geany.org, or to serve
> coffee and drinks, then that's another story. However, the protocol (and
> python API for it) has been stable in my personal experience.
>

Oh no, how can we possibly live without beverage service ;-)

Cheers
Lex

>
> Best regards.
>
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