[Geany] New Release: Geany 0.8

[Enrico Tröger]

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:14:50 -0400, "John Gabriele" <jmg3000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 8/11/06, Nick Treleaven <nick.treleaven at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/08/06 15:21:46, John Gabriele wrote:
> > > On 8/11/06, Nick Treleaven <nick.treleaven at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > >> [snip]
> > >>
> > >> I think you don't have case sensitive checked ;-) So [A-Z] is the
> > >> same
> > >> as [a-z]. It works if you use case sensitive regexes.
> > >
> > > Gah! Ouch. Missed that. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, in a previous thread
> > > (http://lists.uvena.de/pipermail/geany/2006-August/000358.html) I
> > > requested that, when the user clicks that "Use regular
> > > expressions"checkbox, that it might be a good idea to
> > > automatically select the "Case sensitive" option too, since users
> > > will be expecting that regexes start off case-sensitive by
> > > default. Nick, you mentioned you didn't think it's necessary, but
> > > I think it's kinda' funny that I was caught by it myself
> > > (embarrassingly, after previously bringing it up!). I will now
> > > train myself to always check that option whenever I select the
> > > regex option (since almost all of my regex searches are case
> > > sensitive), but if you think that the majority of your users will
> > > also have to train themselves like that, you might reconsider
> > > setting the option automatically. Principle of least surprise and
> > > all. :)
> >
> > Well, the problem is twofold:
> > 1. It could be surprising that the case sensitive option becomes
> > checked when regexes are checked.
> > 2. What to do when regexes are unchecked - unchecking case sensitive
> > search could be surprising too.
> >
> > I wonder about having a separate checkbox for regex case sensitive -
> > this would seem to fix the above problems.
> 
> Well, if the checkboxes could be arranged to look hierarchically (so
> the one beneath "Use regular expressions" would be indented), I think
> it would look right.
> 
> If you went that route, I might suggest the following:
> 
> 0. The new option would be called "Case-insensitive regular
> expressions", since the default (not selected checkbox) should be
> case-sensitive, IMO.
> 
> 1. When you select "Use regular expressions", "Case sensitive" gets
> greyed out.
> 
> 2. When "Use regular expressions" is not selected, "Case-insensitive
> regexes" is greyed out.
> 
> As usual with the other options, they'd remember the way you last had
> them checked, though I'd have the "Case-insensitive regexes" checkbox
> start off life as un-checked (not selected).
> 
> Although, at first, it may seem weird to have two similarly- and
> oppositely-named options ("Case-sensitive" and "Case-insensitive
> regex"), I think it makes sense. When you do a normal plain text
> search, having it start out case-insensitive is closer to the norm, so
> it's a good default. That is, I would think you'd want the option with
> the checkbox to symbolize the *optional* and *less usual* thing the
> user might want to do. You check the checkbox when you want to do more
> out-of-the-ordinary thing.
Do you really want a search(and replace) dialog where you _have_ to
read any documentation before in order to be able to use it?
Sorry, I think such a complicated dialog would more confuse than help.
I want to leave the decision up to Nick.


Regards,
Enrico

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