[Geany-Devel] Switched to Win~1

Dimitar Zhekov dimitar.zhekov at xxxxx
Mon Sep 22 15:23:39 UTC 2014

On 22.9.2014 г. 08:46, Thomas Martitz wrote:
> Am 21.09.2014 um 15:48 schrieb Dimitar Zhekov:
>> Since Debian is leaning more and more towards systemd, especially with
>> gvfs installed, and since systemd-init breaks my system, I finally sat
>> on my back and migrated to Windows. It's not a good system either, but
>> gets the job done.
> This is a joke right?

I wish it was.

> Seriously, I can understand that systemd is controversial, but not to
> the extend to abandon *Unix* altogether. There are many many ways to
> avoid systemd without going Windows, for example using a distro that
> doesn't use systemd (Gentoo, Slackware, etc) or one of the BSDs.

I could not care less for being controversial - it's *broken* for me.

If I'm going to distro-hop, why not Windows? A working desktop, if 
nothing else.

> Or, as you are on debian already, install the legacy sysvinit. It will
> be fully supported at least throughout Jessie (so 5+ years). Or use
> Ubuntu 14.04, which is still using upstart and will also be supported
> until 2019. I'm sure all controversial points are solved by 2019, either
> by systemd or a fork.

I said I kept a minimal Linux system, and it's with sysv-init of course 
(systemd-init is almost unusable for me). But I had to downgrade + block 
the updates of about 10 other packages due to dependencies, and sooner 
or later, udev, gvfs or something else will start to require the latest 
systemd, which *insists* on being init. So "fully supported" is for very 
low values of "full".

"Supported until 2019" normally means "will be fine if you don't upgrade 
anything until 2019, except for security fixes". Thanks - but no thanks.

> I think it's just you leaning towards Windows. This is OK but don't
> blame systemd for it.

After 15 years of using Linux desktop, 3 of which as maintainer of a 
source-based distribution? :)

But you are right that systemd is not the only reason. KDE 4, GNOME 3, 
FF[1], the list goes on, and recently even gtk+ 2.24.23+ (IIRC the 
revision) is slightly broken. Guess I finally lost faith in the Linux as 
desktop. I hope, for all of you, that Xfce 5 will be just fine.

[1] It's cross platform, of course, but the gtk+ version for Linux was 
very nice.

E-gards: Jimmy

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