[Geany-Devel] On Deprecation of Platforms

[Lex Trotman]

[...]

> Since the only way Windows is "stopping" any upgrades of the oldest version
>> is the builders using 2.16, maybe stopping windows support is just no
>> longer making those packages, leaving the code inside #ifdef OS_WIN32
>> there
>> for you to build it with your preferred GTK.
>>
>
> I don't understand sorry, why is 2.16 needed for Windows? I have newer
> than that.
>

Simply because without any maintainer, nobody has taken the windows build
stuff off Enrico and updated it to the recommended 2.24.

[...]

> But thats not a universal experience, and again there is nobody who is
>> looking at why and how to fix it.  At least the Linux version gets a slow
>> trickle of changes.
>>
>
> You are exaggerating.
>

When I wrote this even you weren't :)  Thats not a criticism of you, its
not your job.


>
>
>>>
>>>   >Anyway, although I agree the Windows version isn't as good as it
>>> should
>>>
>>>> right now, I don't really see the problem it causes to the rest of
>>>>>> Geany.  And if we indeed clean some things up a little like Matthew
>>>>>> suggests, it could even be just fine (Windows dialogs, come on).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  I don't mind if Matt wants to remove the Windows dialogs. Enrico put
>>> them
>>> in, I think they're not really necessary.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Again "somebody else do it", Matt having already said he won't.  :)
>>
>
> I must have misread him then.
>
> How about this, I make the Windows dialog pref a various pref and merge
> the file overwrite PR. Various prefs are already warned about.
>

Personally I'm not sure that removing windows dialogs is any sort of
priority, unless they are causing bugs.



>
>    Again, the issue is, without anybody to do it, all that happens is that
>>>
>>>> the
>>>> rest of Geany gets less love.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of people over the years have put forward suggestions, but none of
>>>> them have even dropped a PR or patch, let alone assisted with
>>>> maintenance.
>>>>    Its not nice to cut off a platform, but if everybody expects others
>>>> to
>>>> do
>>>> the work, then we may have no choice or the whole project will collapse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ^^^ *Massive* exaggeration. Most open source projects have unresolved
>>> bugs. Unfunded open source projects work mostly because developers fix
>>> problems that they themselves experience. I don't see any significant
>>> problems with the Windows version that affect me.
>>>
>>
>>
>> And you do work on the problems that affect you, and thank you for that,
>> but "support" is also answering bug reports and questions on IRC,
>> otherwise
>> you get the current situation of Matt and I blundering about in the dark
>> (well Matt might have a small torch, but I'm in the dark).  I'm not
>> criticising you or suggesting you take over the role again, I'm looking
>> for
>> people to help you.
>>
>
> We shouldn't deprecate it, that won't help anyone.
>

Did you see my previous post?


>
>
>>>
>>>   I'm not saying delete anything inside #ifdef OS_WIN32 tomorrow.  But
>>> also
>>>
>>>> in fairness some warning that platform specific code is not being
>>>> maintained adequately needs to be given to Windows users, and their help
>>>> sought, and this is one way I can think of that makes it clear.  Other
>>>> suggestions are welcome:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You are massively overreacting. If we really cared so much about user
>>> experience we would make more bugfix releases, but we don't have the
>>> resources for that.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed, and that is the problem I'm trying to address.  If we don't make
>> it
>> clear to people that they need to step up and help, we will get nowhere.
>>
>
> You can call for contributors. Don't annoy Windows users.
>

As above.

Cheers
Lex



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