yes, i see now that the Geany plugin file browser AND my Linux file system file browser both sort file names the way you say, but not like the default Geany document browser. Regarding the dual sort support you propose, I think that character base sorting in the Geany document browser, regardless of char bit length, would be the preferred default mode for all languages, and would be a VERY useful feature. tks for explaining this issue and a possible Geany improvement so quickly!