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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/22/2014 09:23 AM, Dimitar Zhekov
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<blockquote cite="mid:54203EFB.3090806@gmail.com" type="cite">After
15 years of using Linux desktop, 3 of which as maintainer of a
source-based distribution? <span class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":)"><span>:)</span></span>
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I'm glad (if you want to call it that) to hear that it sounds like
only a recent trend to abandon the users. I hope they figure things
out, because it's been a painful few years because of the recent
trends. I'm surprised at how much grief some of these projects have
caused to linux users as a whole, but it's like they are ignoring
their constituents. Linux. I fight for the users ;-) (tron
reference)<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:54203EFB.3090806@gmail.com" type="cite">
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But you are right that systemd is not the only reason. KDE 4,
GNOME 3, FF[1], the list goes on, and recently even gtk+ 2.24.23+
(IIRC the revision) is slightly broken. Guess I finally lost faith
in the Linux as desktop. I hope, for all of you, that Xfce 5 will
be just fine.
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I'm also happy to hear someone reiterate my disgruntlement with
GNOME 3. One small glimmer of hope is that <a
href="https://ubuntu-mate.org/">Ubuntu Mate</a> is emerging to
fill that nostalgic gap. Unfortunately, I don't know if they are
doing anything with systemd, as it will still be based on Ubuntu,
but at least I get my sane interfaces back without having to switch
to Xfce :-/ They are even packaging compiz, which much of linux
practically abandoning it has been another sore spot for me,
although that could be blamed on GNOME 3 partly as well for going to
Mutter. Now if only I could convince them to package Emerald window
decorator. I miss 2007 linux ;-)<br>
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I especially like these points in Ubuntu Mate's mission:<br>
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<li><b>Restore the halcyon days of Ubuntu</b> before <a
href="https://unity.ubuntu.com/">Unity</a> (I would add GNOME
3 here) was introduced.</li>
<li>Provide a <b>refuge</b> for Linux users who prefer a
traditional desktop metaphor.</li>
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<p>Anyway, I hope the team doesn't mind my sharing about this recent
distro.<br>
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<p>Steve<br>
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