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I kinda like what Lex said:<br>
<br>
"I'm not saying delete anything inside #ifdef OS_WIN32 tomorrow.
But also in fairness some warning that platform specific code is
not being maintained adequately needs to be given to Windows users,
and their help sought, and this is one way I can think of that makes
it clear."<br>
<br>
Basically we don't abandon what works in windows, but we encourage
people to step up and help if they care about it, otherwise support
will slowly break. Does that sound good?<br>
<br>
Anyway, I don't even know if I have a line of code that made it into
master so far, so once again take my input with a grain of salt.
I'd rather not drop support for anyone, but it's also seemingly more
difficult with windows, so I think this gradual approach is probably
a good compromise.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/03/2013 08:37 AM, Lex Trotman
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 3 October 2013 23:19, Colomban
Wendling <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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03/10/2013 02:19, Lex Trotman a écrit :<br>
<div class="im">> All Developers,<br>
><br>
> Its time we deprecated windows support!!<br>
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Although I don't use Windows, I don't really see why.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> The windows code in Geany is:<br>
><br>
> - unmaintained and bit-rotting<br>
<br>
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Nick uses it AFAIK, and he had done things on it, so it's
not that true.<br>
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<div>Nick seems to be the only one that attempts to maintain
it, and as he noted in another thread, he doesn't have
much time these days and he doesn't want to be maintainer
again. He's done sterling work over many years, lets say
thanks, and let the guy have a break :)</div>
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> - buggy<br>
<br>
Well, I can't say there isn't a problem with the spawning
code here --<br>
but that's the "only" thing I know that is truly
problematic.<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>About 10% of the open bugs are labelled windows.</div>
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<div class="im"><br>
> - holding us at an unreasonably old GTK version<br>
<br>
</div>
Sorry? I don't think Windows support has anything to do
with the GTK<br>
version we support. If anything, it's rather the
contrary, providing a<br>
newer version for Windows installers is far easier than
forcing users of<br>
old GNU/Linux distros to build a new version.<br>
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<div>Well, as I understand it, moving the windows packages
to GTK 2.24 is the only thing holding us at 2.16. As
there was a deathly hush on the ML thread when volunteers
were requested to try it, I guess nobody is willing to
support it, even just for that.</div>
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</div>
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<div class="im"><br>
> - hard to maintain due to being hacks on top of
hacks<br>
<br>
</div>
Again, spawning code (only?)<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Again 10% of open bugs.</div>
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<div class="im"><br>
> - few of the developers have access to a
representative development<br>
> setup (no WinXP on a VM is hardly representative)<br>
<br>
</div>
I indeed don't, but AFAIK Nick and Matthew does<br>
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</div>
<div>And I should add, its not reasonable if you are the
only one either, the fixes needed to windows will deprive
the rest of Geany of any of your effort. Its not as if
there are no other things to do :)</div>
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> [...]<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> If this does not result in contributors who support
the windows version<br>
> coming forward and actually making a difference in
the code and the user<br>
> support then Windows should be dropped in a couple
of versions.<br>
<br>
</div>
It would indeed be nice to have more developers that
really user the<br>
Windows version and have time and will to improve and fix
it.<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>And therein lies the problem, the Linux version is not
exactly brimming with developers and, as far as I can
tell, nobody wants to support the windows specific code.</div>
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<div class="im"><br>
> I don't have any windows systems, don't use it and
can't develop for it,<br>
> but I have always noted when I was aware that some
issue would impact<br>
> the windows version, and have tried to help people
who have had<br>
> difficulties with Geany on windows where I could.<br>
<br>
</div>
That was nice, thanks :)<br>
<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Well, not having time for non-work coding ATM,
answering (and asking :) questions is my limit.</div>
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<br>
Anyway, although I agree the Windows version isn't as good
as it should<br>
right now, I don't really see the problem it causes to the
rest of<br>
Geany. And if we indeed clean some things up a little
like Matthew<br>
suggests, it could even be just fine (Windows dialogs,
come on).<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Again, the issue is, without anybody to do it, all that
happens is that the rest of Geany gets less love. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lots of people over the years have put forward
suggestions, but none of them have even dropped a PR or
patch, let alone assisted with maintenance. Its not nice
to cut off a platform, but if everybody expects others to
do the work, then we may have no choice or the whole
project will collapse.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm not saying delete anything inside #ifdef OS_WIN32
tomorrow. But also in fairness some warning that platform
specific code is not being maintained adequately needs to
be given to Windows users, and their help sought, and this
is one way I can think of that makes it clear. Other
suggestions are welcome :)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Lex</div>
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Cheers,<br>
Colomban<br>
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